Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 87046 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 15:56:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 15:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17691 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2009 15:57:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17526 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2009 15:57:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17516 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2009 15:57:03 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:57:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.221 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.218.221] (HELO mail-bw0-f221.google.com) (209.85.218.221) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:56:54 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so171498bwz.12 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2OLwXTBL7OjtAX4OgPYPovkw+EEy8mRfQsq7zmSOlpQ=; b=LHxyd4vpwS/rviIZG0SMdWkl2OqcQX3ZNJlk1tb8Hu+c3mKWHJ3Fu9wuzzqJFT3V/L CVD4UWC/i6aIjfP8n8GAnbiM5fR33bdnUN0GR7125if+1qInwYZDWOMlEcpW1dw+WB84 GHlciJX5QPTZM5rZD37dImp4yQnCLTpwXM/7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g1zY/XNlaHRSwa/HykfeJ7FyT2+JImBEH2Tx7M17Z1RCP1BPgCN8EAUN/EDLT5vdUC t6GHbhy71YHkEyeFSLDUlF6gzWP0Je2f7SXfPsEwla1j/vlCTr7/6oI2qvNgmGG3ZRWF nakxAtPWa77O2j/SkEtM8TEKHbce81JS5EN2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.140 with SMTP id e12mr1047530bkq.68.1249487794065; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1249382426.4139.21.camel@asf> References: <61c9bc470908030511u183e7648j4344e02d6d568d2@mail.gmail.com> <510143ac0908030542o11a68c3dq5dab0ff631afbb15@mail.gmail.com> <61c9bc470908040221w43d50158wa144f63b5cb2cdb2@mail.gmail.com> <71e1b5740908040248k4258a2fao9f8a2877c0780919@mail.gmail.com> <1249380875.4139.12.camel@asf> <55afdc850908040323w60f7fda6tba6e0cfd15322e98@mail.gmail.com> <1249382426.4139.21.camel@asf> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:56:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot From: Robert Burrell Donkin To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: > ... >> > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in >> > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more >> > important then committing code, or do we not always saying community >> > over code? >> >> I disagree with "community OVER code" and IMO should be "community AND >> code" - since a successful/active project needs both. > > Then we failed the last 10 years. > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_asf_is_ten_years#comment-1237975716000 > > Like Stefano said bad code equals strong community. IIRC stefano's rule is that it's easier to create a successful project with a good community and poor code than with good code and a poor community - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org