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From: Brian Fox <brianf@infinity.nu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:05:23 -0400
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Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
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The project's PMC is the leadership...it's not devoid of leadership.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Greg Brown<gkbrown@mac.com> wrote:
> OK, then I'll try to provide more clarification. I don't understand how a
> project without leadership can succeed. I don't care what you call it,
> someone needs to drive the process. I'm not talking about an implication =
of
> authority or a higher degree of ownership - I'm talking strictly about
> making things happen. If that's not a "leader", then what is it, in ASF
> terms?
>
> Note that "leader" does not necessarily mean "singular" (i.e. "dictator")=
.
> Most projects have multiple leaders. IMO, a project without a "leader" (o=
r
> leaders), will go nowhere.
>
> G
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>>> From: Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com>
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
>>>
>>>> We don't have a notion of fixed leadership at Apache. =A0Leadership is
>>>> always welcome but it is determined by the will of the group in questi=
on
>>>> at a given point in time, not based on one's official status. =A0We tr=
y to
>>>> avoid status symbols in order to retain the fair balance of individual
>>>> decision making within our projects.
>>>
>>> Of course. My issue is with the idea that a project can be successful i=
n
>>> the
>>> absence of any kind of leadership. So maybe some clarification on
>>> terminology is
>>> in order...
>>
>> I thought David's explanation that we don't us the phrase "project leads=
"
>> at Apache was fairly straightforward ;-).
>>
>>
>>
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