Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 14890 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2009 07:23:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2009 07:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 41636 invoked by uid 500); 19 Aug 2009 07:23:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41457 invoked by uid 500); 19 Aug 2009 07:23:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41447 invoked by uid 99); 19 Aug 2009 07:23:39 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:23:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of bernd.fondermann@googlemail.com designates 72.14.220.152 as permitted sender) Received: from [72.14.220.152] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:23:28 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so764297fgb.3 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TkNZ9J0kJB9Z2Rfw0FJhvDPzxTzbW9+QlftIaCCS+Wk=; b=CG80qto5NidhPE1RBCI4U4V1zkRJQbIplNC1pFzHr8Rq2ihPiLOmBCbFGftDoApgiz JRHiHB0wnV6+1Szm/vpbXY+wblYlj5H16nOpDC/U/c4f+dLJuiPJzb8XcNjgO0LUScpr XH9/c2UvPNVNu3PTmD+3lVcdPAX55z5xKzFLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EsneV8aoOnRz+f48UyAWI0KhmeL45qxhWpEV2skG3KL/6crr5vNJGJfKNQmw4oidd4 9d7QOcUak7pYy7dPIX6LAD6miz6wtQbJnu59sK08opAthnOoMjyAqJHz7NOByHf/8xqV mTn/xjsyIExnN1VdvOb/S1sdMB+CmS7VMKQbA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.85 with SMTP id v63mr1417947wee.32.1250666588473; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <71e1b5740908180853i1d6f48ftfd356b2e8ce5aa19@mail.gmail.com> References: <71e1b5740908180853i1d6f48ftfd356b2e8ce5aa19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:23:08 +0200 Message-ID: <88f6e29a0908190023n6cfdce44r38321886a3ff8d01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly From: Bernd Fondermann To: general@incubator.apache.org, antelder@apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 17:53, ant elder wrote: > For a while now on general@ we've had people come along during a > poddling release votes and raise issues about things that aren't > backed up by clear ASF policy or reasonably obvious consensus in > behaviour of existing TLPs. Often poddlings just buckle and do a > respin as thats easier than debating the point and that has caused the > raised issues to be misunderstood as a real problems and it becomes a > sort of defacto policy. I don't think we should be blocking poddling > releases based on the whims of who ever happens to be active at the > time on general@. I'd rather see people speaking up, so (potential) issues can be discussed and resolved than people not reviewing release candidates at all, not caring for the project - or even worst - rubberstamping releases with their +1s without even taking a closer look at the release artifacts, for example by "judging from the release vote thread, everything looks ok, so here's my +1". Keep whiming! ;-) > Its causing lots of frustrations and doesn't make us > look particularly smart. Are we? Anyone who easily gets frustrated with objections and confrontations should not be here at the Incubator anyway, that's my advice. Bernd --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org