Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 93919 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 14:15:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 14:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 60954 invoked by uid 500); 21 Aug 2009 14:16:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60753 invoked by uid 500); 21 Aug 2009 14:16:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60743 invoked by uid 99); 21 Aug 2009 14:16:14 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:16:14 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of sebbaz@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.208 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.208] (HELO mail-ew0-f208.google.com) (209.85.219.208) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:16:06 +0000 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so690829ewy.27 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HKGjtc+57LdIGdoAa1SlvPtKystRlll1D1WcnFUZG1I=; b=JWdayfhRl5pFGUMxGVdDXkFJ2+S9MkJXTDY75gDDcqp6siU/oxlbN/wPZ1iZNo5Mia 6goNVRr2etqARI5ilUKUxQ+5o/HGND5OyWv/k8/5Q1ae+QcUipTwLH6CCoqw+/Ywwu3g jqFuMnPJPBGOvATsTXszCLHfD/S/ZEKCECbRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oUJ2KjXVKggsOu66Ut3QRxSPXrdX4cvU2Vtfr/qlOw4aXFdh4bPbZ4I6187yiCG3It QNkViZitJnxxyv7hd0L/o/dgWSJOdjwKuf2XdRdT4ON7jZ8/ANhXvHo3BHMH0ANfJcbD ia7P0HWTLiu1ZyjoUbxd8hCuuBCysCyFGo9hw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.28.15 with SMTP id f15mr226219wea.30.1250864145053; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <467348.40076.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <71e1b5740908180853i1d6f48ftfd356b2e8ce5aa19@mail.gmail.com> <71e1b5740908190023o4ea91be1o51a6c0a80ca63b3@mail.gmail.com> <8DAE0467-1E61-44E6-A026-2F21BD7B7712@SUN.com> <4A8C2FD0.7040306@rowe-clan.net> <1D05020F-2749-4F69-9883-2769237CE9F8@sauria.com> <71e1b5740908200112o5874ee10m8ddf53aed03b8aa1@mail.gmail.com> <55afdc850908200401t2da29d2bk4c946538f85cdd6c@mail.gmail.com> <71e1b5740908202332u41738a47j2d44ab4194e6ed73@mail.gmail.com> <467348.40076.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: <25aac9fc0908210715y3205c468je5f67daeb3aa5a73@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly From: sebb To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 21/08/2009, Joe Schaefer wrote: > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: ant elder > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:32:39 AM > > Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly > > > > Several improvements have been suggested on this thread so far, the > > two mains ones are: > > > > - hold the release votes on the poddling mailing lists not general@ > > > At one point or another I thought that might be an improvement. Having > seen how many podling releases fail to pass the vote on general@incubator > has me thinking otherwise. Until the general@incubator votes are little > more than rubber stamps of the votes conducted on the podling's dev list, I > wouldn't be in favor of such a change. > The votes that count for a release are IPMC member votes; seems to me that the vote must be put to the whole IPMC, even if most of them don't vote. If the vote were only on the podling list, then only IPMC members who happened to be on the list would see the vote - the other IPMC members would effectively be disenfranchised. The IPMC might as well be disbanded at that point. > > - make complying with "best practices" a graduation requirement not a > > release requirement > > > This sounds silly as complying with best practices is neither a graduation > requirement nor a release requirement. It's simply a good idea, and in > the project's best interests to do so, because it is a precondition for > getting +1's from several IPMC members. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org