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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
Date Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:31:31 GMT

Traditionally the "leadership" comes from the membership
of the Project Management Committee.  People tend to take
on a variety of roles within a project, some being more
leader-follower type roles and others revolving around a
small team that shares collective control over direction
of the project.  We tend to prefer the latter over the former.

Those micro-structures aren't formally recognized as they
tend to change over time and can be percieved as diminutive
to people occupying less leadership type roles.  We aim
towards building healthy functional dynamic groups, even
the PMC Chair is little more than a glorified secretary
in a smoothly operating Apache project.


----- Original Message ----
> From: Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:23:12 PM
> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
> 
> OK, then I'll try to provide more clarification. I don't understand how a 
> project without leadership can succeed. I don't care what you call it, someone 
> needs to drive the process. I'm not talking about an implication of authority or 
> a higher degree of ownership - I'm talking strictly about making things happen. 
> If that's not a "leader", then what is it, in ASF terms?
> 
> Note that "leader" does not necessarily mean "singular" (i.e. "dictator"). Most 
> projects have multiple leaders. IMO, a project without a "leader" (or leaders), 
> will go nowhere.
> 
> G
> 
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > 
> >> From: Greg Brown 
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12:36 PM
> >> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
> >> 
> >>> We don't have a notion of fixed leadership at Apache.  Leadership is
> >>> always welcome but it is determined by the will of the group in question
> >>> at a given point in time, not based on one's official status.  We try to
> >>> avoid status symbols in order to retain the fair balance of individual
> >>> decision making within our projects.
> >> 
> >> Of course. My issue is with the idea that a project can be successful in the
> >> absence of any kind of leadership. So maybe some clarification on terminology

> is
> >> in order...
> > 
> > I thought David's explanation that we don't us the phrase "project leads"
> > at Apache was fairly straightforward ;-).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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