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From Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot
Date Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:23:49 GMT
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Thorsten
Scherler<thorsten.scherler.ext@juntadeandalucia.es> wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler<rgardler@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of
> a
>> > podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
>> > with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not
>> > listening to the community or b) there is no active oversight from
>> > those with voting rights.
>> >
>>
>> The Incubator policy minimum graduation requirements says:
>>
>> "The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there
>> are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single
>> company or entity that is vital to the success of the project)"
>> -
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating
> +from+the+Incubator
>>
>> There is a judgement call to be made about if a committer needs to be
>> active and what being active means (posting to the ML vs. committing
>> code etc).
>
> The archives are full of discussions what active is and what not.
>
> Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in
> the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more
> important then committing code, or do we not always saying community
> over code?

I disagree with "community OVER code" and IMO should be "community AND
code" - since a successful/active project needs both.

Niall

>>
>> Committing code is important, having just two actively committing
>> committers isn't quite enough IMHO, especially when they're both with
>> the same employer.
>
> Not sure here but Greg pointed out that the project is NOT (!!!) part of
> their day job. Meaning they are independent since the company has
> nothing to do with Pivot.
>
> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
> coding committers but how many other committers?
>
>> In the past lots of poddlings first graduation vote
>> doesn't pass due to diversity issues, they go away and encourage
>> others to be active committers and graduate on the next attempt and
>> the project is better for it, and thats what I think should happen
>> here with Pivot.
>
> If they have 3 committers than I do not see the diversity part as
> problem. Diversity is for projects which have a company behind it that
> have a big interest in the project and its direction. Since we used DAY
> as example in the thread a lot: Day has an interest in Sling and its
> directions, if only Day employee are committers and they work mainly on
> their working hours on the project then Sling would have a diversity
> problem, since as soon as Day loose interest the project can die.
>
> Since there is no company behind Pivot I do not see at all the diversity
> as problem. Only if there are only two committers that I see as problem
> since voting does not work out.
>
> salu2
> --
> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
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