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From Vinayak Borkar <vbo...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] VXQuery
Date Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:04:46 GMT
Sanjiva,

We are completely open to using any other schema model from any other 
project. So we could try the module from the WS project, if your 
experience shows that it is better.

You are right in that all we need is a schema model.

Thanks for offering to mentor.

Vinayak

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Yes it does- but for schema support, we actually have a more useful project
> called XMLSchema in the WS project. That's a clean model for XMLSchema
> that's used by a bunch of ASF projects and others. We tried (hard) to use
> the Xerces schema stuff when doing Axis2 (who wants to write a schema
> parser!) but it was not possible because it was innately tied to parsing XML
> and validation and not for general use as an XML parser. For XQuery, what is
> needed is a proper schema model and XMLSchema gives that.
> 
> Anyway, I'm glad to see the StAX answer :).
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Vinayak Borkar <vborky@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sanjiva,
>>
>> The way the system is built, the data source (the place from where XML is
>> brought into the system), is fully pluggable.
>>
>> In fact, currently the parser has been implemented using StAX (JSR 173).
>>
>> The XML snippets one sees in XQuery is not parsed using an XML parser.
>> Instead we use JavaCC to do that.
>>
>> The mention of Xerces was specifically to implement schema support in
>> VXQuery as per the typing requirements of the XQuery spec.
>>
>> Does that answer your question?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vinayak
>>
>>
>>
>> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>>
>>> Vinayak, in some other mail you indicated that there's little code around
>>> yet. So ...
>>>
>>> Can we build this on top of StAX instead of Xerces (presumably SAX)? That
>>> allows a high performant impl on top of Axiom, which would be very useful
>>> for all projects that use Axiom (Axis2 & family, Synapse, Abdera, Tuscany
>>> (I
>>> think) etc.). The StAX impl will allow CXF also to make good use of this
>>> and
>>> should not affect the ability to build a DOM or DTM or any other model.
>>>
>>> I would also love to see the Axiom binding done as part of this project
>>> but
>>> that's not a requirement as that can be done externally.
>>>
>>> Hmm thinking a bit more I guess the use of Xerces is just for parsing the
>>> XQuery XML syntax bits right? You've obviously had to write a parser for
>>> the
>>> non-XML syntax bits (which is a lot)? So then this is really an easy
>>> request!
>>>
>>> Sanjiva.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Vinayak Borkar <vborky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Paul,
>>>> Thank you for willing to be a mentor.
>>>> I have added you as a mentor to the proposal at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/VXQueryProposal.
>>>>
>>>> What would be the best way to get more
>>>>
>>>> 1. mentors
>>>> 2. feedback
>>>>
>>>> so we can move the proposal to a vote?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vinayak
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Fremantle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Yes I am willing to be a mentor.
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Vinayak Borkar <vborky@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Paul,
>>>>>> Thank you for your interest in the VXQuery engine. We are looking
for
>>>>>> mentors for the project. Would you be willing to be a mentor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Vinayak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Fremantle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Synapse would also be interested in using the XQuery implementation!
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Vinayak Borkar <vborky@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>>>> We wish to present a proposal to create a new project in
the
>>>>>>>> incubator
>>>>>>>> called VXQuery. Please find below, the plain-text version
of the
>>>>>>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Vinayak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQueryProposal
>>>>>>>> Abstract
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache VXQuery is a language processor that implements the
XML Query
>>>>>>>> Language v1.0 standardized by the W3C.
>>>>>>>> Proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery (Versatile XQuery) will be a standards compliant
XML Query
>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>> implemented in Java. We believe that there exists a strong
(and
>>>>>>>> growing)
>>>>>>>> need to process semi-structured data in many applications.
The W3C
>>>>>>>> standardized v1.0 of the XML Query Language in early 2007.
Since
>>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> processors have surfaced (both commercial and open source).
VXQuery
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> implement this standard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery plans to be the glue that brings together imperative
>>>>>>>> programming
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Java and declarative programming in XQuery. The project would
enable
>>>>>>>> developers to use XQuery to navigate and transform application
>>>>>>>> objects
>>>>>>>> declaratively in Java applications with minimal overhead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the VXQuery project we plan to build an implementation
that allows
>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>> to run declarative XQueries on arbitrary object models. Existing
>>>>>>>> XQuery
>>>>>>>> engines execute queries by translating the user data into
some form
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> XML
>>>>>>>> Object model. With VXQuery, we take the opposing view - Translate
the
>>>>>>>> query
>>>>>>>> to work natively on the user's object model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In addition, VXQuery works on top of different XML representations
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> DOM, Stax, and a space optimized model motivated by Xalan's
DTM
>>>>>>>> (Document
>>>>>>>> Table Model).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery will also provide a library that allows application
>>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> express declarative queries without the need to learn a new
syntax.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> believe that this will speed up the adoption process.
>>>>>>>> Current Status
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a new project.
>>>>>>>> Meritocracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The initial developers are very familiar with meritocratic
open
>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>> development at Apache. Apache was chosen specifically because
the
>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>> developers want to encourage this style of development for
the
>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>> Community
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery seeks to develop developer and user communities during
>>>>>>>> incubation.
>>>>>>>> Core Developers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The core members of the project are diverse. Vinayak Borkar
is an
>>>>>>>> independent consultant. Till Westmann works for a company
that would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> potential consumer of VXQuery. During incubation the developers
base
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> broadened.
>>>>>>>> Alignment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XQuery is gaining more traction as a XML management technology
and
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> already are several Apache projects ([WWW] XMLBeans, [WWW]
Camel,
>>>>>>>> [WWW]
>>>>>>>> Tuscany) that use or need a XQuery implementation. As no
such
>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>>> is available as an Apache project these projects have to
rely on
>>>>>>>> external
>>>>>>>> engines. VXQuery can fill this gap and complement the XML
support of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Apache Software Foundation.
>>>>>>>> Known Risks
>>>>>>>> Orphaned products
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery is new development.
>>>>>>>> Inexperience with Open Source
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers.
>>>>>>>> Vinayak
>>>>>>>> Borkar is an active contributor to the Zorba project at the
FLWOR
>>>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>>>> Relationships with Other Apache Products
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XMLBeans is a representation of XML that would be natively
supported
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> VXQuery. Therefore VXQuery can be used as an efficient and
>>>>>>>> Apache-licensed
>>>>>>>> implementation for the [WWW] selectPath and execQuery methods
found
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> XMLBeans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Similarly, [WWW] Tuscany's SDO implementation can be natively
>>>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> VXQuery can be used to provide an [WWW] XQuery implementation
for
>>>>>>>> Tuscany.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery can also be used as an XQuery implementation for
[WWW] Camel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further, VXQuery uses the Xerces XML parser and schema validator.
>>>>>>>> A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We believe in the processes, systems, and framework Apache
has put in
>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>> Apache is also known to foster a great community around their
>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> provide exposure. While these points are important, they
are not the
>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>> motivation for choosing Apache to host VXQuery.
>>>>>>>> Documentation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not publicly available
>>>>>>>> Initial Source
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not publicly available
>>>>>>>> External Dependencies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [WWW] JavaCC (BSD license), [WWW] Davos SDO implementation
(Apache
>>>>>>>> 2.0
>>>>>>>> license), [WWW] Woodstox XML parser (Apache 2.0 license),
[WWW]
>>>>>>>> XStream
>>>>>>>> project (BSD license)
>>>>>>>> Required Resources
>>>>>>>> Developer and user mailing lists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [MAILTO] vxquery-dev@incubator.apache.org [MAILTO]
>>>>>>>> vxquery-users@incubator.apache.org [MAILTO]
>>>>>>>> vxquery-commits@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> A subversion repository
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [WWW] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vxquery
>>>>>>>> A JIRA issue tracker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VXQuery (VXQUERY)
>>>>>>>> Initial Committers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Vinayak Borkar <vborky at yahoo dot com>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Till Westmann <till at westmann dot org>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Cezar Andrei <cezar at apache dot org> [Have CLA]
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Michael Carey <mjcarey at ics dot uci dot edu>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sponsors
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   XMLBeans PMC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Champion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Cezar Andrei
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nominated Mentors
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Looking for mentors
>>>>>>>>
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