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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Date Thu, 21 May 2009 08:16:27 GMT
My recollection of the discussion was that the recommendations where  
a) don't ask the party that might be infringed on for permission, b)  
it is OK to wait for the project to wait until they are contacted, if  
ever, before doing anything. Ironically, shortly before this  
discussion there was another project that had clearly infringed on  
someone else's trademark, was contacted by them, and at the  
recommendation of our attorneys  the project name was changed fairly  
painlessly. The answers I saw to this thread were all in line with  
what they attorneys had discussed in that instance.

In short, I have never understood why JSecurity decided to change its  
name. IIRC the only potential conflict was with a company that didn't  
actually produce a software product with that name and that company  
has never contacted us, despite JSecurity having been around for quite  
a while.


On May 20, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels wrote:

> Hi,
> I just read
> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is  
> going to
> change its name.
> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
> "JSecurity"
> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer  
> from the
> ASF legal team.
> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and  
> authoritative ?
> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions  
> on legal
> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably  
> guilty
> of it myself)
> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts  
> a blog
> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
> regards,
> Maarten
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna < 
> >wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood  
>> <>
>> wrote:
>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone  
>>> who
>> wishes
>>> to participate!
>> Apache Narsil
>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>> carrying it.
>> Bye,
>>   -Chintana
>> --

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