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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:55:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
From: Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org> w=
rote:
> 3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So I see =
no
> problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project done the
> Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely ready to
> graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it does exis=
t
> for any other Apache project as well.
>
> Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL. Will i=
t
> be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the PMC? I=
'd
> say yes, but definitely a non-standard situation...

PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats a
convention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three +1
votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section here:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a
practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF
processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its
community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the
IPMC to base a decision on graduation.

Niall

> Andrus
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>
>> Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it seems
>> that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to leave
>> with 3.
>>
>> IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you can't
>> get the three votes required to do anything.
>>
>> Niall
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <sabob@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the following
>>> graduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click community alrea=
dy
>>> votes in favor of graduation which is recorded here:
>>>
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/click-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg00574.htm=
l
>>>
>>> Click status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/click.html
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>
>>> =A0WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> =A0interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>> =A0purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>> =A0the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to
>>> =A0a framework for creating page and component oriented web
>>> =A0applications, for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> =A0NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> =A0Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project",
>>> =A0be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> =A0Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> =A0RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is
>>> =A0responsible for the creation and maintenance of
>>> =A0a page and component oriented web framework and related tools;
>>> =A0and be it further
>>>
>>> =A0RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be and
>>> =A0hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
>>> =A0direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache
>>> =A0Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>> =A0management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of
>>> =A0The Apache Click Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> =A0RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> =A0hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The
>>> =A0Apache Click Project:
>>>
>>> =A0 * Malcolm Edgar (medgar@...)
>>> =A0 * Bob Schellink (sabob@...)
>>> =A0 * Naoki Takezoe (takezoe@...)
>>>
>>> =A0NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Malcolm Edgar
>>> =A0be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President,
>>> =A0Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to
>>> =A0the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>>> =A0Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>> =A0disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>> =A0further
>>>
>>> =A0RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby
>>> =A0is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> =A0Incubator Click podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> =A0RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>>> =A0Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> =A0PMC are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>> --- End Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>
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