Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 68724 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 11:00:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 11:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 3060 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2009 11:00:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2877 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2009 11:00:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 75565 invoked by uid 99); 10 Apr 2009 10:17:58 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of hdegoede@redhat.com designates 66.187.237.31 as permitted sender) Message-ID: <49DF1D6C.5090605@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:20:28 +0200 From: Hans de Goede User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090324 Fedora/3.0-2.1.beta2.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Burrell Donkin CC: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Getting Apache [project] included in Linux distributions References: <168ef9ac0904081155l6af2d6deie62d01baba0cdfd3@mail.gmail.com> <818767740904081212n6de56b22n924516105bf055a0@mail.gmail.com> <818767740904090209y5afee6c0rb2acb61eb862ee8d@mail.gmail.com> <818767740904090248h546f0e9aw742b721a2d1ea64a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 172.16.27.26 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 04/09/2009 02:13 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Chris Chabot wrote: >> Ps, Hans De Goede has a bit more experience with several distro's then me >> and offered to help out too, i've added him to the CC list. > > great :-) > Hi all, I hope non subscriber posts to general@incubator.apache.org work. Short self intro: I've been a Free software developer for circa 10 years and the last 5 years I've been doing Fedora packaging (amongst other things). As my email address shows I'm currently working for RedHat (for 7 months now). Everything I contribute to this discussion is my personal input, I'm not talking on behalf of RedHat nor of the Fedora project. As Fedora packager I'm in contact with packagers from various other distributions, but I'm in no way an expert on packaging for other distros. The best place to contact people involved in packaging with other distros is probably the distro neutral packaging discussion list at freedesktop.org: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/admin/distributions > [general] > picking up with the advice from chris, i suppose apache projects need > to actively engage with the distros, rather than just expecting it to > happen or demanding that someone else does the work. so - i guess - > that the first step should be to find volunteers from the apache > community (who need not be developers) who are interested in working > with the linux distros. as a second step, take time to understand the > distro community (and whether there might already be some people there > who are interested), to understand the rules of the community and to > work out what - if anything - is already happening in this area. > Ack, There are 2 ways to get packages for a piece of Free software into a community distro like Fedora / Debian / Ubuntu, 1 is to find someone within the apache project who will do the packaging and have him get into contact with the distribution. More open distro's usually have quite extensive documents about both packaging guidelines as well as the process of becoming a packager. The second method is to find people within the distro who might be willing to do the work for you. In my own experience it is always very nice to have an upstream which actively collaborates in packaging, so if you advertise you are looking for packagers some people might bite. you could try to send a mail to fedora-devel-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list (subscribtion mandatory for sending) Explaining which apache projects you would like to see packaged, with a short description of the package, potential users, and basically some advertising as to why it should be part of Fedora. Your luck here will probably very wildly, but you might get lucky. I'm sure other distros have similar mailinglists where you could send such a request. > what about dependencies? > I assume you mean libraries / other software on which the project you want to package depends. Chances are good most are already packaged if not you will have to package them too. > [fedora] > AFAICT chris has done a good job on this: is there anything else to add? > Not really :) > [redhat] > is the best way into redhat through fedora? > I assume you mean RHEL here, getting into RHEL itself depends upon customer demand (as once something is in RedHat obliges itself to support it), there is not much you can do there. However under the Fedora project there also is the EPEL project for RHEL add-on packages using the same procedures as for regular Fedora packages. Once you have Fedora packages getting packages in to EPEL requires little effort (assuming the deps are already in EPEL), see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL Regards, Hans --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org