Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 61198 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 21:18:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 21:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 77172 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2009 21:18:30 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 77003 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2009 21:18:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 76969 invoked by uid 99); 17 Apr 2009 21:18:29 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:18:29 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.43.132] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.43.132) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:18:21 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n3HLI0Yh006097; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KI900500KBAR200@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.13] (c-98-207-88-57.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.207.88.57]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KI900MCCKHWV080@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:17:56 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: [DISCUSS] Sanselan as a Commons library Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: dev@commons.apache.org Cc: sanselan-dev@incubator.apache.org, Incubator Message-id: <016B2C6D-03AF-4A70-B18D-0F6CD5953659@SUN.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-107--297128329 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-107--297128329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The Sanselan podling [1] has been incubating since 2007 and has achieved most of the goals in incubation: Code has been released [2] according to the incubator release guidelines Status is up to date [3] Community mailing lists are responded to promptly [5] JIRA issue tracking is in use [4] Web site with sample code and download is available The last item before graduation is activity and diversity, which are lacking. There were a few developers during the project but now we have only one active developer. And it's not clear that we will be able any time soon to attract more developers to fulfill the requirements. While discussing Sanselan in the incubator, it appears that there are three end points for the podling: 1. Fail incubation and reject Sanselan 2. Continue (indefinitely?) to incubate Sanselan 3. Graduate Sanselan as a sub-project of another TLP It appears to many of us that option 3 is the best way forward. It also appears that Commons might be a good fit for the project. I have some questions to kick off a discussion: 1. It appears that dev@commons is the general mailing list for all commons projects. Would a small project like sanselan get lost in the traffic? 2. Most commons components have a "functional" name instead of a "fun" name. Would Sanselan need to be renamed, e.g. Commons Image, or would it be ok to have the sub-project called Sanselan, or Commons Sanselan? 3. Would any changes be required from the existing packaging of Sanselan? For example, packages are named org.apache.sanselan. Would these need to be renamed to org.apache.commons.sanselan (or less fun name as above)? If any additional oversight is needed to accept Sanselan, I'd be happy to contribute as PMC member. Thanks, Craig References: [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sanselan.html [2] http://incubator.apache.org/sanselan/site/index.html [3] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sanselan/board/ [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SANSELAN [5] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-sanselan-dev/ Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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