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From Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Getting Apache [project] included in Linux distributions
Date Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:35:49 GMT
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Aidan Skinner <aidan.skinner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Aidan Skinner <aidan.skinner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (Apache and RMS saw Java a little differently: an opportunity as
>> opposed to a trap. Apache has always been confident in our ability to
>> - if necessary - develop a new virtual machine, so saw no reason not
>> to develop FOSS for the platform.)
>
> Oh, totally, and now that the whole stack is Free there's no
> fundamental reason for the split, but a decade+ of being in somewhat
> separate worlds has meant that expectations about how to build and
> deliver software are quite different. Most Java apps ship their deps,
> for instance.

+1

one problem is that the Free Software echo chamber is quite a lot less
nuanced that RMS

>>> It's a solvable problem though. Qpid moved back to plain ant to make
>>> shipping the Java components easier[1]. I've got patches to use Ivy,
>>> but I haven't finished the work (it's still looking for libs in
>>> something looks like a maven repo, not /usr/lib)
>>
>> AIUI repository arrangement should be pluggable. perhaps it might be
>> possible to create a simple patch that could be used by the distros.
>
> That's my plan, I haven't quite gotten as far as that yet though. I
> suspect this hasn't happened already because it may be one of those
> "lots of people would put a little effort into fixing it, but no one
> person is going to put in enough effort" problems.

+1

>>> If we're serious about this, lets work with the JPackage people. The
>>> OpenSUSE build service might be helpful as well.
>>
>> cool
>>
>> anyone have any contacts over there?
>
> I don't know anyone at JPackage. I could probably dig out a few email
> addresses at OpenSUSE but I think JPackage is the place to start.

ok

anyone have contacts over at JPackage?

>> the advantage of being the upstream is that it's usually easier for us
>> to get stuff developed than the distros so long as we understand what
>> they need.
>
> Totally, and I don't think it'd take much. We're not a million miles
> from being able to do this already, it's just going to take a bit of
> leg work and making sure that everybody is getting what they need.

cool

- robert

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