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From "Noel J. Bergman" <n...@devtech.com>
Subject PROPOSAL to graduate Sanselan into Commons Incubator
Date Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:12 GMT
I knew that I should have renamed the thread when I replied ... :-\  Sorry.  I'll try to pull
it all together here ...

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 14/04/2009, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>  <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com>:
>>>>>> Craig Russell wrote:
>>>>>>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Some projects are just too small to warrant the target
of a TLP
>>>>>>>>> or even a sub project
>>>>>>>> We agree!  We have several projects here that I believe belong
in
>>>>>>>> Commons!
>>>>>>> For example, we have a great little project called Sanselan that
is
>>>>>>> "code complete" but has not attracted a big enough community
to become
>>>>>>> a TLP. Commons could be just the place for it.
>>>>> Sanselan was top of my list when I made my comment.  :-)  If Apache
>>>>> Commons and Sanselan are interested, that's an avenue I'd like to see
>>>>> pursued....
>>>>
>>>> To clarify: do you mean Sanselan could "graduate" into Commons?
>>>> Commons adopts the Sanselan codebase and active committers, upon a
>>>> vote of the Incubator and in particular of the project's mentors.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a plan to me: accept smallish projects into the incubator,
>>>> but give them the option to graduate to Commons instead of becoming a
>>>> full-blown project, if their community does not grow enough.
>>>>
>>>> And projects too small for this should go directly to Commons,
>>>> starting with grants/patches which help their authors become
>>>> committers.
>>>
>>> +1. Sounds good to me.
>>>
>>
>> +1, provided that the project fits in with Commons goal(s).
>>
>> -1, if Commons is just used as a dumping ground for small projects.
> Agreed, I didn't mean to imply that Commons *has* to accept such
> projects, it's Commons' call.

Exactly.  I abosolutely share the concern.  Commons should NOT be used as any form of dumping
ground.  Commons has to make a well considered and deliberate decision if it wants to accept
responsibility in each individual case of a reusable library component.  That is the very
thin line that Commons is walking: a single Community taking joint responsibility for a large
set of disjoint libraries, where few if any would be maintainable outside of the Commons gestalt.

Let's leave THIS thread specifically about Sanselan.  I'll start another one about more generic
matters.

	--- Noel



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