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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:49:33 GMT

On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Malcolm Edgar wrote:

> Ok thanks everyone for the feedback eveyone. I acknowledge the
> importance of growing the committer community, which is something we
> have not focused on, rather we have been looking at all the other nuts
> and bolts incubation issues.
> I can see this is very important for ensuring a sustainable Apache
> project, and we will now focus on growing the Click comitter
> community. One we have got to a healthy committer base and things are
> running smoothly, we will come back to another graduation vote.

+1

Hope to hear some good news in a few months' time.

Craig
>
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> regards Malcolm Edgar
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Niall Pemberton
> <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org 
>> > wrote:
>>> 3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So  
>>> I see no
>>> problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project  
>>> done the
>>> Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely  
>>> ready to
>>> graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it  
>>> does exist
>>> for any other Apache project as well.
>>>
>>> Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL.  
>>> Will it
>>> be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the  
>>> PMC? I'd
>>> say yes, but definitely a non-standard situation...
>>
>> PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats a
>> convention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three  
>> +1
>> votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section  
>> here:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>
>> This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a
>> practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF
>> processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its
>> community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the
>> IPMC to base a decision on graduation.
>>
>> Niall
>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it  
>>>> seems
>>>> that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to  
>>>> leave
>>>> with 3.
>>>>
>>>> IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you  
>>>> can't
>>>> get the three votes required to do anything.
>>>>
>>>> Niall
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <sabob@apache.org> 

>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the following
>>>>> graduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click  
>>>>> community already
>>>>> votes in favor of graduation which is recorded here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/click-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg00574.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Click status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/click.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>>>
>>>>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>>  purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>>  the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to
>>>>>  a framework for creating page and component oriented web
>>>>>  applications, for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>>
>>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project",
>>>>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>>  Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is
>>>>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of
>>>>>  a page and component oriented web framework and related tools;
>>>>>  and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be  
>>>>> and
>>>>>  hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
>>>>>  direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache
>>>>>  Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>>>>  management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of
>>>>>  The Apache Click Project; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The
>>>>>  Apache Click Project:
>>>>>
>>>>>   * Malcolm Edgar (medgar@...)
>>>>>   * Bob Schellink (sabob@...)
>>>>>   * Naoki Takezoe (takezoe@...)
>>>>>
>>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Malcolm Edgar
>>>>>  be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President,
>>>>>  Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to
>>>>>  the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>>>>>  Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>>>>  disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>>>>  further
>>>>>
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby
>>>>>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>>  Incubator Click podling; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>>>>>  Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>>>  PMC are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- End Proposed Board Resolution ---
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Craig L Russell
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