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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:55:02 GMT
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
> 3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So I see no
> problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project done the
> Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely ready to
> graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it does exist
> for any other Apache project as well.
> Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL. Will it
> be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the PMC? I'd
> say yes, but definitely a non-standard situation...

PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats a
convention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three +1
votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section here:

This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a
practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF
processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its
community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the
IPMC to base a decision on graduation.


> Andrus
> On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>> Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it seems
>> that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to leave
>> with 3.
>> IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you can't
>> get the three votes required to do anything.
>> Niall
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the following
>>> graduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click community already
>>> votes in favor of graduation which is recorded here:
>>> Click status page:
>>> Kind regards
>>> Bob
>>> --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>  purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>  the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to
>>>  a framework for creating page and component oriented web
>>>  applications, for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project",
>>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>  Foundation; and be it further
>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is
>>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of
>>>  a page and component oriented web framework and related tools;
>>>  and be it further
>>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be and
>>>  hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
>>>  direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache
>>>  Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>>  management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of
>>>  The Apache Click Project; and be it further
>>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The
>>>  Apache Click Project:
>>>   * Malcolm Edgar (medgar@...)
>>>   * Bob Schellink (sabob@...)
>>>   * Naoki Takezoe (takezoe@...)
>>>  be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President,
>>>  Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to
>>>  the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>>>  Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>>  disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>>  further
>>>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby
>>>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>  Incubator Click podling; and be it further
>>>  RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>>>  Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>  PMC are hereafter discharged.
>>> --- End Proposed Board Resolution ---
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