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From Malcolm Edgar <malcolm.ed...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:19:24 GMT
Ok thanks everyone for the feedback eveyone. I acknowledge the
importance of growing the committer community, which is something we
have not focused on, rather we have been looking at all the other nuts
and bolts incubation issues.
I can see this is very important for ensuring a sustainable Apache
project, and we will now focus on growing the Click comitter
community. One we have got to a healthy committer base and things are
running smoothly, we will come back to another graduation vote.

Thanks for your time.

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Niall Pemberton
<niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> 3 is the minimal number that is needed for a formal acceptance. So I see no
>> problem with it. Click has been a successful open source project done the
>> Apache way before entering Apache, so I think it is definitely ready to
>> graduate now. While a possibility of a vote deadlock exists, it does exist
>> for any other Apache project as well.
>>
>> Interesting aspect of this though... say a PMC member X goes AWOL. Will it
>> be valid for the 2 remaining members to vote another person in the PMC? I'd
>> say yes, but definitely a non-standard situation...
>
> PMCs I've been on have required three +1 votes. Perhaps thats a
> convention rather than rule, but for releases it a minimum of three +1
> votes are required - see the "Votes on Package Releases" section here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> This issue is not a criticism of the Click community, but just a
> practical concern that it can continue to operate here within the ASF
> processes. It also would be good to have seen Click growing its
> community here - again not a criticism, but practical evidence to the
> IPMC to base a decision on graduation.
>
> Niall
>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>> Comparing the original proposal to the graduation resolution it seems
>>> that click entered incubation with 4 committers and proposes to leave
>>> with 3.
>>>
>>> IMO a PMC of three is not enough - one person disappears and you can't
>>> get the three votes required to do anything.
>>>
>>> Niall
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Bob Schellink <sabob@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The Apache Click PPMC would like to have feedback on the following
>>>> graduation proposal before asking for a vote. The Click community already
>>>> votes in favor of graduation which is recorded here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/click-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg00574.html
>>>>
>>>> Click status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/click.html
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> --- Begin Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>>
>>>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>  purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>  the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to
>>>>  a framework for creating page and component oriented web
>>>>  applications, for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>
>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Click Project",
>>>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>  Foundation; and be it further
>>>>
>>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Click Project be and hereby is
>>>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of
>>>>  a page and component oriented web framework and related tools;
>>>>  and be it further
>>>>
>>>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Click" be and
>>>>  hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
>>>>  direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of The Apache
>>>>  Click Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>>>  management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of
>>>>  The Apache Click Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of The
>>>>  Apache Click Project:
>>>>
>>>>   * Malcolm Edgar (medgar@...)
>>>>   * Bob Schellink (sabob@...)
>>>>   * Naoki Takezoe (takezoe@...)
>>>>
>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Malcolm Edgar
>>>>  be and hereby is appointed to the office of Vice President,
>>>>  Apache Click, to serve in accordance with and subject to
>>>>  the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>>>>  Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>>>  disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>>>  further
>>>>
>>>>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Click Project be and hereby
>>>>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>  Incubator Click podling; and be it further
>>>>
>>>>  RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>>>>  Incubator Click podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>>  PMC are hereafter discharged.
>>>>
>>>> --- End Proposed Board Resolution ---
>>>>
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