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From Hans de Goede <hdego...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: Getting Apache [project] included in Linux distributions
Date Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:20:28 GMT


On 04/09/2009 02:13 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Chris Chabot<chabotc@google.com>  wrote:
>> Ps, Hans De Goede has a bit more experience with several distro's then me
>> and offered to help out too, i've added him to the CC list.
>
> great :-)
>

Hi all,

I hope non subscriber posts to general@incubator.apache.org work. Short
self intro: I've been a Free software developer for circa 10 years and
the last 5 years I've been doing Fedora packaging (amongst other things).
As my email address shows I'm currently working for RedHat
(for 7 months now).

<stddisclaimer.h>
Everything I contribute to this discussion is my personal input,
I'm not talking on behalf of RedHat nor of the Fedora project.
</stddisclaimer.h>

As Fedora packager I'm in contact with packagers from various other
distributions, but I'm in no way an expert on packaging for other distros.
The best place to contact people involved in packaging with other distros
is probably the distro neutral packaging discussion list at freedesktop.org:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/admin/distributions

<snip>

> [general]
> picking up with the advice from chris, i suppose apache projects need
> to actively engage with the distros, rather than just expecting it to
> happen or demanding that someone else does the work. so - i guess -
> that the first step should be to find volunteers from the apache
> community (who need not be developers) who are interested in working
> with the linux distros. as a second step, take time to understand the
> distro community (and whether there might already be some people there
> who are interested), to understand the rules of the community and to
> work out what - if anything - is already happening in this area.
>

Ack,

There are 2 ways to get packages for a piece of Free software into a
community distro like Fedora / Debian / Ubuntu, 1 is to find someone
within the apache project who will do the packaging and have him get
into contact with the distribution. More open distro's usually have
quite extensive documents about both packaging guidelines as well as
the process of becoming a packager.

The second method is to find people within the distro who might be
willing to do the work for you. In my own experience it is always
very nice to have an upstream which actively collaborates in packaging,
so if you advertise you are looking for packagers some people might bite.
you could try to send a mail to fedora-devel-list:
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
(subscribtion mandatory for sending)

Explaining which apache projects you would like to see packaged, with
a short description of the package, potential users, and basically
some advertising as to why it should be part of Fedora. Your luck here
will probably very wildly, but you might get lucky. I'm sure other
distros have similar mailinglists where you could send such a request.

> what about dependencies?
>

I assume you mean libraries / other software on which the project
you want to package depends. Chances are good most are already packaged
if not you will have to package them too.

> [fedora]
> AFAICT chris has done a good job on this: is there anything else to add?
>

Not really :)

> [redhat]
> is the best way into redhat through fedora?
>

I assume you mean RHEL here, getting into RHEL itself depends upon customer
demand (as once something is in RedHat obliges itself to support it),
there is not much you can do there.

However under the Fedora project there also is the EPEL project for RHEL
add-on packages using the same procedures as for regular Fedora packages.
Once you have Fedora packages getting packages in to EPEL requires little
effort (assuming the deps are already in EPEL), see:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL

Regards,

Hans

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