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From Will Glass-Husain <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:46:45 GMT

I went away from email for half a day and got a ton of new messages!

As a mentor to Click, I can attest that there's a small but active
community involved.  It's consistently operated in a transparent and
open manner.  There's been no signs of "dictatator for life" behavior.
 The founder of the project (Malcolm) is a frequent but not
heavy-handed presence on the lists.  Bob Schellink has overseen many
of the details of going through the incubation process.   (and Naoki
Takezoe has consistently contributed as well).  Contributions and
discussion from a variety of contributors have been welcomed and

I note too that Malcolm has been part of the Velocity community for
some years with frequent feedback, bug reports, and occasional

One issue that has come up is that none of the Mentors (myself
included) are users of Click (and hence not contributors).  It would
be nice if the PMC and committership were larger but there are
successful projects with small PMCs - Velocity has had 3-5 active PMC
members for some years now while successfully supporting a much large
user base. I agree with Andrus that there's an opportunity to reach
out to people more specifically, but such efforts do not magically
turn contributors into committers.

We had some discussion about graduation (and the committer size
specifically) on the Click list between the mentors and the community.
 Our advice was essentially "go for it".

Click's an innovative project with a small but open community.  The
core members clearly get the Apache Way.  And the size of the PMC,
while a concern, has potential to grow over time.  I vote +1.


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
>> ...the project is fine, but should
>> take a break with graduation to reevaluate its ranks and recruit willing and
>> deserving individuals, and come back here maybe in 2-3 months if this
>> endeavor is successful....
> sounds like a plan, +1 to that.
> -Bertrand
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