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From Thomas Anderson <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:56:14 GMT
What's wrong with a dictator for life?  Larry Wall is the dictator for
life for Perl but that doesn't mean that Perl isn't a meritocracy.

Besides, what qualifies as "dictator for life" behavior, anyway?  If
all the contributors to a project are Sun employees, wouldn't Sun be
essentially a dictator for life?  And even if Sun doesn't engage in
"dictator for life" behavior, what about Oracle, who bought Sun?

Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> Hi--
> I went away from email for half a day and got a ton of new messages!
> As a mentor to Click, I can attest that there's a small but active
> community involved.  It's consistently operated in a transparent and
> open manner.  There's been no signs of "dictatator for life" behavior.
>  The founder of the project (Malcolm) is a frequent but not
> heavy-handed presence on the lists.  Bob Schellink has overseen many
> of the details of going through the incubation process.   (and Naoki
> Takezoe has consistently contributed as well).  Contributions and
> discussion from a variety of contributors have been welcomed and
> accepted.
> I note too that Malcolm has been part of the Velocity community for
> some years with frequent feedback, bug reports, and occasional
> patches.
> One issue that has come up is that none of the Mentors (myself
> included) are users of Click (and hence not contributors).  It would
> be nice if the PMC and committership were larger but there are
> successful projects with small PMCs - Velocity has had 3-5 active PMC
> members for some years now while successfully supporting a much large
> user base. I agree with Andrus that there's an opportunity to reach
> out to people more specifically, but such efforts do not magically
> turn contributors into committers.
> We had some discussion about graduation (and the committer size
> specifically) on the Click list between the mentors and the community.
>  Our advice was essentially "go for it".
> Click's an innovative project with a small but open community.  The
> core members clearly get the Apache Way.  And the size of the PMC,
> while a concern, has potential to grow over time.  I vote +1.
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
>>> ...the project is fine, but should
>>> take a break with graduation to reevaluate its ranks and recruit willing and
>>> deserving individuals, and come back here maybe in 2-3 months if this
>>> endeavor is successful....
>> sounds like a plan, +1 to that.
>> -Bertrand
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