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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Click graduation
Date Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:16:34 GMT
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 07:46 -0700, Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> Hi--
> 
> I went away from email for half a day and got a ton of new messages!
> 
> As a mentor to Click, I can attest that there's a small but active
> community involved.  It's consistently operated in a transparent and
> open manner.  There's been no signs of "dictatator for life" behavior.
>  The founder of the project (Malcolm) is a frequent but not
> heavy-handed presence on the lists.  Bob Schellink has overseen many
> of the details of going through the incubation process.   (and Naoki
> Takezoe has consistently contributed as well).  Contributions and
> discussion from a variety of contributors have been welcomed and
> accepted.
> 
> I note too that Malcolm has been part of the Velocity community for
> some years with frequent feedback, bug reports, and occasional
> patches.
> 
> One issue that has come up is that none of the Mentors (myself
> included) are users of Click (and hence not contributors).  It would
> be nice if the PMC and committership were larger but there are
> successful projects with small PMCs - Velocity has had 3-5 active PMC
> members for some years now while successfully supporting a much large
> user base. I agree with Andrus that there's an opportunity to reach
> out to people more specifically, but such efforts do not magically
> turn contributors into committers.
> 
> We had some discussion about graduation (and the committer size
> specifically) on the Click list between the mentors and the community.
>  Our advice was essentially "go for it".
> 
> Click's an innovative project with a small but open community.  The
> core members clearly get the Apache Way.  And the size of the PMC,
> while a concern, has potential to grow over time.  I vote +1.

Thank you for your comments.

Unfortunately, it also has the potential to shrink, which sends it
straight into non-functionality. 

Firstly, I would like to know: has Click voted in any committers during
its incubation? (I know I should really research that for myself...)

Secondly, do the current mentors still feel positive about the project?
If so, I'd have thought they'd want to continue to support the project
over the coming year or so. If three mentors joined the PMC, that would
give six members, which would be a significant buffer against sinking
below the minimum three active members and would, I suspect, transform a
lot of -1 votes into +1s.

I know I stayed on both the Felix and the Wicket PMCs for some time
after their graduation. Neither was hard work - all I needed to do was
read a few emails, and perhaps do a little research occasionally. Not
much to do for communities that I had come to appreciate.

Upayavira



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