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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:55:26 GMT

On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:49:09 pm Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment.
>>
>> My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to
>> be run in real time, with decisions made "through collaborative
>> decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via
>> Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself."
>>
>> The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for
>> someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a
>> voice.
>>
>> I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid
>> excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep
>> up in real time but might have useful things to say.
>
> As a mentor, this is on my "concern list", but isn't something  
> that's a
> concern for ENTERING incubation.   It's something that will be  
> learned and
> addressed during incubation and will be resolved before they  
> graduate.   If
> this was  graduation vote, definitely a -1, but for an entering  
> vote, nope.

I agree.
>
>
> Once they are in the incubator, we'll definitely make sure they start
> following Apache guidelines and such.

That's all I wanted to hear.

Thanks,

Craig
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>>
>> +1 for incubation.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Point of order.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to
>>>> the [VOTE]
>>>> email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov.
>>>>
>>>> Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments.
>>>
>>> <snip/>
>>>
>>> http://markmail.org/message/luzictfoyj5tmroh
>>>
>>> http://markmail.org/message/4o5c6citovsovlv5
>>>
>>> -Rahul
>>>
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>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
>
> -- 
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog

Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!


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