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From "Niall Pemberton" <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation
Date Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:01:38 GMT
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> Niall,
>
> thanks for your feedback.
>
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 01:53, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>
>> I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you
>> only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not
>> being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what
>> I can see CouchDB entered incubation with four committers in February
>> (the proposal listed six, but apparently was a mistake[1]) and has
>> added one new person just over a month ago[2].
>>
>>
>> I know theres been a push to get projects to graduate, but IMO CouchDB
>> would benefit from growing its community a bit more first.
>
> We (informally, again :) decided to hold back a release and adding more
> committers in favour of doing the graduation first (just to not have three
> things running at the same time. While our software is highly concurrent,
> we aren't :)
>
> The general feel with the project is that we are rather gaining contributors
> than losing them. That does not really address the concern of a 5-person
> PMC being small (the documented prime-example board resolutions have
> 8-10). Again, we (devs, community, mentors) think we are a healthy and
> growing project and I wonder if a 5-person PMC would be a show stopper?

Its not and five active people is certainly viable, but my point
really was for the long term viability in case people leave the
project.

Niall

>> Also, since there have been two releases while here, I assume all the
>> due-dilligence has been completed, but the status page[3] has not been
>> completed to reflect that - so if you do go for graduation it would be
>> nice if that was updated first.
>
> Ted, I patched the couchdb.xml project file
> (http://friendpaste.com/ebk8csvC)
> and updated the committer & mentor lists; can you commit? In addition, it
> looks
> that some of the dates in the "work items" section are missing. How to go
> about
> these?
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
>
>> Niall
>>
>> [1] http://couchdb.markmail.org/message/my725uiourw25qnm
>> [2] http://couchdb.markmail.org/message/hzge6ofddnknhqby
>> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/couchdb.html
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Incubator General List,
>>>
>>> The community and developers of Apache CouchDB deem
>>> the project ready for graduation to a top level Apache project.
>>>
>>> couchdb-dev@incubator.apache.org vote summary:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-couchdb-dev/200810.mbox/%3c8D010720-DA8E-4096-996B-71539FDC5A37@sauria.com%3e
>>>
>>> Message IDs for informal(*) PPMC vote to appoint Damien Katz to become
>>> "Vice President, CouchDB":
>>>
>>>  82D8D63F-723C-4814-80B5-8439F2E0371F@apache.org
>>>  20081030163622.GJ3293@bytesexual.org
>>>  6562D708-928C-4BC3-9573-907E48A17B39@yahoo.com
>>>  4A8404E2-7CF1-4075-A779-A59A1E41851F@jaguNET.com
>>>  7557e99f0810310411p3cb3eb9bnf8b1e8b1af4f1a32@mail.gmail.com
>>>  e282921e0810310904k1e1c4d59we96816da1b94a80c@mail.gmail.com
>>>
>>> (* Sorry we didn't to a formal vote and hence no formal [RESULT] message)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> We would like to ask the IPMC to discuss the following Board resolution
>>> to
>>> be
>>> recommended to the Board. Once your feedback is collected and integrated,
>>> we will ask you to vote on the final resolution. Thank you!
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Proposed Board Resolution:
>>>
>>> Establish the Apache CouchDB project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software implementing a distributed, fault-
>>> tolerant and schema-free document-oriented database for
>>> distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache CouchDB Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>> related to implementing a distributed, fault-tolerant and
>>> schema-free document-oriented database; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, CouchDB" be and
>>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at
>>> the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the
>>> Apache CouchDB Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility
>>> of the Apache CouchDB Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache CouchDB Project:
>>>
>>> * J Chris Anderson (jchris@apache.org)
>>> * Damien Katz      (damien@apache.org)
>>> * Christopher Lenz (cmlenz@web.de)
>>> * Jan Lehnardt     (jan@apache.org)
>>> * Noah Slater      (nslater@apache.org)
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Damien
>>> Katz be appointed to the office of Vice President, CouchDB, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board
>>> of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death,
>>> resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until
>>> a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>> CouchDB Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator CouchDB podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator CouchDB podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> PMC are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Again, thanks for your cooperation!
>>>
>>>
>>> For the Apache CouchDB PPMC,
>>> Jan
>>> --
>>> PS: Thanks to Noah Slater for proofreading.
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