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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:52:19 +0200
From: "Martijn Dashorst" <martijn.dashorst@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] accept Olio into incubation
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+1 (binding)

(on both accounts: accept olio and add Wicket to the ticket)

Martijn

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:01 AM, James Carman
<james@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> I've informed the Wicket team about this incubator request and there
> is interest in providing a wicket-based implementation (wicket along
> with differing ORM technologies of course, like JPA and Hibernate; the
> way I envision it, we'll use profiles in maven to turn on/off
> different implementations).  When do you think it'd be a good time to
> add implementations to the mix?  During incubation?  After it
> graduates?  Is there a requirements document or something for
> applications wishing to "implement" the Olio example application?
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hogstrom <matt@hogstrom.org> wrote:
>> +1  (binding)
>>
>>
>> Note: I updated the proposal on the Wiki with my normal e-mail account
>> (matt@hogstrom.org) instead of my work e-mail (hogstrom@us.ibm.com) sinc=
e my
>> mentoring of this project is unrelated to any aspect of my work
>> responsibilities).
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>> Please vote on accepting Olio into incubation.
>>>
>>> The proposal can be found at:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OlioProposal
>>>
>>> [This proposal was formerly known as Web20Kit]
>>>
>>> The text of the proposal:
>>>
>>> OlioProposal
>>> Abstract
>>> Apache Olio is a web 2.0 toolkit to help developers evaluate the
>>> suitability, functionality and performance of various web technologies =
by
>>> implementing a reasonably complex application in several different
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>> Proposal
>>> Olio will develop an example application to understand the benefits,
>>> performance, and scalability of popular web technologies. Multiple
>>> implementations of the application are planned - each providing the sam=
e
>>> functionality but staying true to the philosophy of its base
>>> language/framework.
>>>
>>> Background
>>> Most web 2.0 sites today use open source languages and frameworks such =
as
>>> PHP, Ruby on Rails, and Java EE to develop their applications. Deployme=
nts
>>> of these applications also use popular open source servers such as Apac=
he
>>> httpd, Tomcat, MySQL, Memcache, and Glassfish. Many other
>>> servers/technologies such as lighttpd, mogileFS, mongrels, JRuby are al=
so
>>> gaining popularity.
>>>
>>> With the myriad technologies available, it is not easy to understand ho=
w
>>> they differ, especially in terms of performance and scalability. With v=
aried
>>> levels of documentation available for some open source applications, it=
 is
>>> also quite difficult for a web 2.0 startup to understand the correct us=
age
>>> of these technologies so that they don't become a bottleneck as their s=
ite
>>> grows.
>>>
>>> Rationale
>>> Olio is a toolkit that will attempt to address the above issues.
>>>
>>> What it does
>>>
>>> Olio defines an example web 2.0 application (the initial implementation
>>> uses an events site somewhat like yahoo.com/upcoming) and provides thre=
e
>>> implementations: PHP, Java EE, and Ruby on Rails. The toolkit will also
>>> define ways to drive load against the application in order to measure
>>> performance.
>>>
>>> As developers join the project, they can implement the same application
>>> using their favorite web frameworks and compare their implementations t=
o
>>> others.
>>>
>>> What you can learn from it
>>>
>>> a) Understand how to use various web 2.0 technologies such as AJAX,
>>> memcached, mogileFS etc. in the creation of your own application. Use t=
he
>>> code in the application to understand the subtle complexities involved =
and
>>> how to get around issues with these technologies.
>>>
>>> b) Evaluate the differences in the implementations: PHP, Ruby on Rails,
>>> Java EE, and other contributed implementations to understand which migh=
t
>>> best work for your situation.
>>>
>>> c) Within each language implementation, evaluate different infrastructu=
re
>>> technologies by changing the servers used (e.g: apache vs lighttpd, MyS=
QL vs
>>> PostgreSQL, Ruby vs Jruby etc.)
>>>
>>> d) Drive load against the application to evaluate the performance and
>>> scalability of the chosen platform.
>>>
>>> e) Experiment with different algorithms (e.g. memcache locking, a
>>> different DB access API) by replacing portions of code in the applicati=
on.
>>>
>>> A robust, community-developed standard implementations of a web 2.0
>>> application using different technologies will enable developers to comp=
are
>>> and contrast these technologies in a manner that does not exist today. =
By
>>> providing excellent sample implementations of a concrete application th=
at is
>>> available to everyone, we will enable faster and easier application
>>> development for users. Although we list three implementations in this
>>> proposal, we encourage others to come up with many more using other lan=
guage
>>> stacks and/or frameworks e.g. Spring framework, Python etc.
>>>
>>> Current Status
>>> This is a new project with some sample not-ready-for-prime-time code.
>>>
>>> Meritocracy
>>> The initial developers are very familiar with meritocratic open source
>>> development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifical=
ly
>>> because the initial developers want to encourage this style of developm=
ent
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Community
>>> Olio seeks to create developer and user communities during incubation.
>>>
>>> Core Developers
>>> The initial core developers are Sun Microsystems, Inc. employees, and
>>> faculty and students at UC Berkeley. We hope to expand this very quickl=
y.
>>>
>>> Alignment
>>> The developers of the Olio want to work with the Apache Software
>>> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
>>> foundation and set of practices for community-based development.
>>>
>>> Known RisksOrphaned products
>>> This project has a lot of enthusiasm among the core developers, has
>>> ongoing development, and is not orphaned.
>>>
>>> Inexperience with Open Source
>>> The initial developers are well-versed in open source methodologies and
>>> practices.
>>>
>>> Homogenous Developers
>>> The initial group of developers is from two organizations. We would lik=
e
>>> to expand this and that is a primary reason for bringing this project t=
o
>>> Apache.
>>>
>>> Reliance on Salaried Developers
>>> Although part of the initial development team are students, the core
>>> developers are employed by Sun Microsystems.
>>>
>>> Relationships with Other Apache Products
>>> None in particular, except that Apache HTTPD is the most common place t=
o
>>> run PHP, and which the initial PHP implementation uses.
>>>
>>> A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
>>> We believe in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
>>> place. The brand is nice, but is not why we wish to come to Apache.
>>>
>>> DocumentationInitial Source
>>> Sun Microsystems Inc. intends to donate code for their PHP implementati=
on
>>> of the sample events application as well as code to drive load against =
the
>>> application. UC Berkeley intends to donate code for the Ruby on Rails
>>> implementation.
>>>
>>> This code is still a work in progress and will be provided primarily as=
 a
>>> starting place for a much more robust, community- developed implementat=
ion.
>>>
>>> External DependenciesRequired Resources
>>> Developer mailing lists<moin-email.png> olio-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> <moin-email.png> olio-commits@incubator.apache.org <moin-email.png>
>>> olio-private@incubator.apache.org <moin-email.png>
>>> olio-user@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>> A subversion repository
>>>
>>> A JIRA issue tracker
>>>
>>> Initial Committers
>>>        =95
>>> Akara Sucharitakul <<moin-email.png> akara.sucharitakul@sun.com> Shanti
>>> Subramanyam <<moin-email.png> shanti.subramanyam@sun.com> Sheetal Patil
>>> <<moin-email.png> sheetal.patil@sun.com> Binu John
>>> <<moin-email.png>binu.john@sun.com> Kim Lichong <<moin-email.png>
>>> kim.lichong@sun.com> William Sobel <<moin-email.png>
>>> wsobel@eecs.berkeley.edu> Arthur Klepchukov <<moin-email.png>
>>> avk@berkeley.edu> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>craig.russell@sun.com>
>>> SponsorsChampion
>>>        =95
>>> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png> craig.russell@sun.com>
>>>
>>> Nominated Mentors
>>>        =95
>>> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png> craig.russell@sun.com> Henning
>>> Schmiedehausen <<moin-email.png> henning@schmiedehausen.org> Matt Hogst=
rom
>>> <<moin-email.png> hogstrom@us.ibm.com> Rick Hillegas
>>> <<moin-email.png>Richard.Hillegas@Sun.COM>
>>>
>>> Sponsoring Entity
>>> The Apache Incubator.
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
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