Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 28519 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 13:28:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 13:28:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 52643 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2008 13:28:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 52449 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2008 13:28:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 52437 invoked by uid 99); 28 Sep 2008 13:28:46 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:28:46 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jukka.zitting@gmail.com designates 74.125.44.153 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.44.153] (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:27:46 +0000 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so282773yxh.0 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:28:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2oK3nhYdeb2PSCru7v/Ob4S7zVhhc/KLMeGNhlDsT4Q=; b=jUr+Ibkak8+FCyFAoNtMF2aFQ2vTUoYiz70Bpo1T3rsfICu8Fv3gquZEzVy0wtQEi0 ZhcwhJ5tFx/jFHSKcah9BSLE8mGGinSYK4+2SSjrDQsuYilL4FQl8Tyi0Hq3cT1kiI5u 5ghz/84kYLcAlFfEDJdbcQ5k7ttQSYCUu5Kcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=d6IVCnjijlz+S/LVq5oz5roV2SSg+DmZc9o7ODjHgBNExHDpfgyAAsI/33tZLwMc7R aMdYOIISMAc7Nn6alKgfk4O2pRPa422IIYJBOfGAKSVVX3CUqtwCHeuB5a+FZOpoQKcB wpF0OiXuxOCcAbNTJFTELe4SFHBTDICDbReY8= Received: by 10.90.91.2 with SMTP id o2mr4014728agb.111.1222608482729; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.90.6 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <510143ac0809280628r41044000od1f9edd0e4100b3b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:28:02 +0200 From: "Jukka Zitting" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: On incubating releases In-Reply-To: <19e0530f0809280433n4d34bc7eqa7848fb4935a387a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <510143ac0809260541h21809939u9252426780f1b5c6@mail.gmail.com> <510143ac0809271436l3ef804a1w26a67cf7fe7c8423@mail.gmail.com> <19e0530f0809271546l1e3bc2a6v110540a2226026ec@mail.gmail.com> <19e0530f0809271603v64c1470fve0b7f0066663f97f@mail.gmail.com> <9E2F4F95-536C-4E39-A030-3602B5B50692@maven.org> <19e0530f0809271646q1e6f95aegb3c199a5bcd7eeda@mail.gmail.com> <48DECD03.4030306@rowe-clan.net> <19e0530f0809271723v546a3af5m324498fa979688e1@mail.gmail.com> <48DED9F4.3050200@rowe-clan.net> <19e0530f0809280433n4d34bc7eqa7848fb4935a387a@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > We did the VOTE and everyone has stated their opinions. Why bring it > up again and again? I'm keeping this alive to better understand and perhaps somehow address the concerns of the people who opposed the change. The problem is, even with all the debates I still don't quite understand the objections. I would understand if people wanted to ban all releases. I would also understand if people wanted *all* downstream users to display our disclaimers. But I don't understand why we should treat one class of users differently from another. So, I'm still hoping someone would enlighten me so we could perhaps find some compromise that suits everyone (or at least a larger majority). Otherwise I will just carry on and implement the proposal based on majority rule. BR, Jukka Zitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org