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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:23:18 +0100
From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like
 the central Maven repository
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On 10/09/2008, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
> -1

-1 (non-binding) to the proposal.

>
>  I believe that allowing incubating releases to be treated as full Apache
> releases diminishes the Apache brand and makes incubation disclaimers moot.
>
>  With Maven, it is too easy to depend on a release with transitive
> dependencies on incubating releases without even knowing it. When the
> incubating release subsequently is abandoned, blame will be cast widely,
> including Apache itself.

Agreed.

>  Considering that dependencies on incubating releases can be resolved by
> explicitly adding an incubating Maven repository into your settings, I don't
> think that wide, mirrored, distribution is warranted.

Agreed.

>  Craig
>
>
>  On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:34 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects
> > using the central Maven repository to distribute their releases. The
> > current policy is that incubating releases should not go to there. The
> > related discussion threads have died with no consensus but the issue
> > still exists and affects many podlings. I would like to finally
> > resolve the issue one way or another by calling the Incubator PMC to
> > vote on the matter.
> >
> > In INCUBATOR-82 I have prepared a patch (also attached below) that
> > changes the policy document to explicitly _allow_ extra distribution
> > channels like the central Maven repository for incubating releases.
> > Note that the proposed patch allows any such channels instead of
> > focusing just on the Maven repository. Also, any releases must still
> > be approved, comply with the disclaimer and naming rules, and be
> > primarily distributed through the official
> > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ channel.
> >
> > Please vote on accepting or rejecting this policy change! This
> > majority vote is open for a week and only votes from the Incubator PMC
> > members are binding.
> >
> > [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central
> > Maven repository
> > [ ] -1 No, keep the current policy
> >
> > My vote is +1
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
> > Patch from
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-82:
> >
> > Index: site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml
> >
> ===================================================================
> > --- site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml
> (revision 692094)
> > +++ site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml
> (working copy)
> > @@ -489,6 +489,8 @@
> >        <p>
> > Releases for <em>podling</em> <strong>MUST</strong> be distributed through
> >
> <code>http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/<em>podling</em></code>.
> > +In addition, the Podling MAY choose to distribute approved releases
> through
> > +other channels like the central Maven repository.

I'm against this proposal.

However, if it is decided to proceed, I think the above paragraph
needs to be expanded to specify that the release must be clearly
flagged as an incubator release.

> >        </p>
> >      </section>
> >      <section id="Use+of+Apache+Resources">
> >
> >
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>
>  Craig L Russell
>  Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
>  408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>  P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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