Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 6799 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:29:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 95664 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2008 04:29:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95512 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2008 04:29:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95501 invoked by uid 99); 28 Sep 2008 04:29:22 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:29:22 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.43.133] (HELO sca-es-mail-2.sun.com) (192.18.43.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:28:19 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m8S4SWuO025462 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K7W001011GOTW00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for general@incubator.apache.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (c-76-126-212-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.212.146]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K7W00MC31RKJ310@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for general@incubator.apache.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:28:32 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: Project Diversity Guidelines In-reply-to: Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-id: <1D90F2A1-BFC1-4755-8A29-6445D1DA5807@SUN.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--544223569 References: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-5--544223569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Niclas, On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > As for more documentation; I am -0 on that, but I guess Craig and > Martijn > will probably jump at the opportunity ;o) Well, thanks but no thanks. ;-) My views are similar to yours. Diversity is a subjective thing, and every member of the incubator PMC probably has a different point of view. That's both good and bad, for good and bad reasons. > Documents are hard to write and > even harder to keep up-to-date. +1 The thing that I would focus on is whether the project would survive if one or more of the participating entities in the project were to pull the plug, i.e. stop funding the developers. Having diversity, meaning independent committers, means that the project is more likely to survive the loss. I think that Marnie brought up many good examples of evidence of participation, including participation in writing features, submitting bug reports, submitting patches, writing documentation, discussing and voting on potential new committers, voting on releases, discussing new features and bug reports. Given a list of participants, evaluating the diversity of these active participants is necessarily subjective. One thing that would help, especially in the case of qpid, is to document whether the committers feel that they are independent. That is, whether they would continue to contribute to the project on their own time even if their employer reassigned them to a different project. Craig > > > > Cheers > Niclas Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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