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From "Niall Pemberton" <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository
Date Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:58:52 GMT
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please vote on accepting or rejecting this policy change!
>
> The vote ends with the following 15 +1, 12 -1, and one 0 binding votes.
>
>    +1 Bertrand Delacretaz
>    +1 Brett Porter
>    +1 Bruce Snyder
>    +1 Davanum Srinivas
>    +1 Doug Cutting
>    +1 Guillaume Nodet
>    +1 James Strachan
>    +1 Jason van Zyl
>    +1 Jeffrey Genender
>    +1 Jukka Zitting
>    +1 Martin Dashorst
>    +1 Niall Pemberton
>    +1 Roland Weber
>    +1 Upayavira
>    +1 William Rowe
>
>     0 Thomas Fischer
>
>    -1 Ant Elder
>    -1 Craig Russell
>    -1 Emmanuel Lecharny
>    -1 Henning Schmiedehausen
>    -1 Jim Jagielski
>    -1 Justin Erenkrantz
>    -1 Kevan Miller
>    -1 Matt Hogstrom
>    -1 Matthieu Riou
>    -1 Noel J. Bergman
>    -1 Paul Querna
>    -1 Will Glass-Husain
>
> The following eight +1 and one -1 non-binding votes were also cast:
>
>    +1 Assaf Arkin
>    +1 Eelco Hillenius
>    +1 Dan Diephouse
>    +1 Daniel Kulp
>    +1 Felix Meschberger
>    +1 Les Hazlewood
>    +1 Niklas Gustavsson
>    +1 Stephen Duncan Jr
>
>    -1 Sebastian Bazley
>
> This is a slight majority (of binding votes) for accepting the
> proposed change, but given the clear lack of consensus and the
> concerns voiced about that, I unfortunately need to conclude that this
> issue should be tabled until better consensus is reached.

If this was a release vote then I could understand it - since people
judge the importance of issues differently - and fixing the issues and
moving on to a new release is often easier since it maintains
consensus. On this issue though, its been well debated several times -
it s clear that there won't be consensus in the near future - so why
should the minority get their way when they lost the vote? If this
vote doesn't pass then we need to re-write the rules to define how
much of a majority overturns the status quo. Perhaps two thrids,
perhaps no negative votes. If this policy isn't implemented, then I
think all the people who voted +1 at least deserve a definition of how
short we fell of passing this vote and what the bar is.

Niall

> The main impression I got from the related discussion is that the main
> concern is not that much the security or transparency of the Maven
> repository but rather the status of incubating releases in general.
>
> Are incubating releases official releases of the ASF? Does the ASF
> "endorse" these releases, and what does that endorsement mean? How
> strong disclaimers are needed and what level of explicit
> acknowledgement from users is required? Until we have a clearer policy
> on what we actually require of incubating releases and their
> distribution, it seems premature to debate whether the Maven
> repository meets those requirements.
>
> So, before reopening this release distribution issue, I would expect
> us to clarify the policy on incubating releases.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting

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