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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: On incubating releases
Date Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:05:57 GMT
Unfortunately a typical response from you. Guess there's no point in
even trying..

-- dims

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Jason van Zyl <jason@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On 27-Sep-08, at 7:46 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> Exactly why in previous discussions i already asked..."Can the maven
>> folks provide another way to do this?" (not showing disclaimers
>> necessarily, something that the user has to do one time works too.
>> Example: apt-get and keys)
>>
>
> We could do anything, but I'm not implementing pop ups. But you can.
>
> On a download event the build could stop and make people read "An ode to the
> Incubator: How important we are, and how like children you all are". Or we
> could make them listen to that enduring audio classic: "Did someone in the
> incubator just make something up that no one has ever heard of before?" That
> one always makes me laugh (cry). Maybe we can humor the users in the hopes
> they don't get pissed off with us because we intentionally made things
> harder then they have to be.
>
> I'll hope that people rely on the same tool that keeps them from sniffing
> the ends of loaded shotguns, or bathing with toasters. That would be the
> brain.
>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Jason van Zyl <jason@maven.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 27-Sep-08, at 7:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am asking because, the way the situation is being portrayed is that
>>>> anyone using maven is totally unable to use the incubator
>>>> artifacts...that's wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's just amazingly inconvenient.
>>>
>>> Take the 10 minutes (and that's a conservative number) that every user
>>> goes
>>> through groping around trying to figure out how setup the repositories
>>> and
>>> multiply that by 5k (which is not unreasonable for something as popular
>>> as
>>> JSecurity) and now multiply that by the number of projects and we're
>>> literally getting into man years of wasted time. To consciously inflict
>>> this
>>> on people when it's not necessary is exacting a serious amount of damage.
>>> Every user who can't build something here as a first time user is going
>>> to
>>> make their first experience a bad one.
>>>
>>> For us to pontificate here about how we should be protecting a generally
>>> intelligent user base while wasting man years of users' valuable  time to
>>> me
>>> is wrong.
>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> dims
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jukka,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see where you are going with this. But what i cannot for the life of
>>>>> me understand is why adding a tiny snippet of xml to project B's pom
>>>>> is so objectionable (adding another repo)? No one has yet answered
>>>>> that question for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> dims
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Jukka Zitting
>>>>> <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know...hence my VOTE was what it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my questions go out to people who opposed the proposed policy
>>>>>> change:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Is it OK for project A to bundle the incubating dependency?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) If yes, why should things be more complex for project B?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>>> jason at sonatype dot com
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder,  Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>
>
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