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From "Davanum Srinivas" <>
Subject Re: On incubating releases
Date Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:53:05 GMT

Because we ("Apache") control the distribution channel?


On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Matthieu Riou <> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jukka Zitting <>wrote:
>>> A key objection against distribution through the Maven repository has
>>> been that a downstream project should not be able to have an
>>> incubating dependency that gets automatically downloaded and used
>>> without manual intervention by the user. [...]
>> Mmh that's not what I voted on.
> Noted. The way you brought the restriction up earlier is quite
> sensible (something I could agree on given that some technical details
> are solved, but let's not go there now).
> But then we have comments like the following that make me believe that
> quite a few people *did* vote based on that objection.
> Craig:
>> With Maven, it is too easy to depend on a release with transitive
>> dependencies on incubating releases without even knowing it.
> Noel:
>> Maven is *too* transparent in what it does: it hides the disclaimer,
>> preventing the POLICY of ensuring that users are explicitly aware of
>> and agree to use of Incubator artifacts.
> Davanum:
>> Let's make it clear that when someone download the artifacts, there's
>> a good chance that you will see the disclaimers. With maven, we don't.
> Replace "Maven" with "apt-get", "CPAN", or even a dependency being
> bundled in a normal release package, and you see why I think this
> objection is more general than just the Maven issue.
> Is our purpose to allow downstream projects to only use incubating
> releases if they explicitly inform their users about that? We can
> recommend that they do so, but trying to enforce that recommendation
> would be in conflict with our license.
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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