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From Matt Hogstrom <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept Olio into incubation
Date Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:03:31 GMT
+1  (binding)

Note: I updated the proposal on the Wiki with my normal e-mail account  
( instead of my work e-mail (  
since my mentoring of this project is unrelated to any aspect of my  
work responsibilities).

On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:

> Please vote on accepting Olio into incubation.
> The proposal can be found at:
> [This proposal was formerly known as Web20Kit]
> The text of the proposal:
> OlioProposal
> Abstract
> Apache Olio is a web 2.0 toolkit to help developers evaluate the  
> suitability, functionality and performance of various web  
> technologies by implementing a reasonably complex application in  
> several different technologies.
> Proposal
> Olio will develop an example application to understand the benefits,  
> performance, and scalability of popular web technologies. Multiple  
> implementations of the application are planned - each providing the  
> same functionality but staying true to the philosophy of its base  
> language/framework.
> Background
> Most web 2.0 sites today use open source languages and frameworks  
> such as PHP, Ruby on Rails, and Java EE to develop their  
> applications. Deployments of these applications also use popular  
> open source servers such as Apache httpd, Tomcat, MySQL, Memcache,  
> and Glassfish. Many other servers/technologies such as lighttpd,  
> mogileFS, mongrels, JRuby are also gaining popularity.
> With the myriad technologies available, it is not easy to understand  
> how they differ, especially in terms of performance and scalability.  
> With varied levels of documentation available for some open source  
> applications, it is also quite difficult for a web 2.0 startup to  
> understand the correct usage of these technologies so that they  
> don't become a bottleneck as their site grows.
> Rationale
> Olio is a toolkit that will attempt to address the above issues.
> What it does
> Olio defines an example web 2.0 application (the initial  
> implementation uses an events site somewhat like  
> and provides three implementations: PHP, Java EE, and Ruby on Rails.  
> The toolkit will also define ways to drive load against the  
> application in order to measure performance.
> As developers join the project, they can implement the same  
> application using their favorite web frameworks and compare their  
> implementations to others.
> What you can learn from it
> a) Understand how to use various web 2.0 technologies such as AJAX,  
> memcached, mogileFS etc. in the creation of your own application.  
> Use the code in the application to understand the subtle  
> complexities involved and how to get around issues with these  
> technologies.
> b) Evaluate the differences in the implementations: PHP, Ruby on  
> Rails, Java EE, and other contributed implementations to understand  
> which might best work for your situation.
> c) Within each language implementation, evaluate different  
> infrastructure technologies by changing the servers used (e.g:  
> apache vs lighttpd, MySQL vs PostgreSQL, Ruby vs Jruby etc.)
> d) Drive load against the application to evaluate the performance  
> and scalability of the chosen platform.
> e) Experiment with different algorithms (e.g. memcache locking, a  
> different DB access API) by replacing portions of code in the  
> application.
> A robust, community-developed standard implementations of a web 2.0  
> application using different technologies will enable developers to  
> compare and contrast these technologies in a manner that does not  
> exist today. By providing excellent sample implementations of a  
> concrete application that is available to everyone, we will enable  
> faster and easier application development for users. Although we  
> list three implementations in this proposal, we encourage others to  
> come up with many more using other language stacks and/or frameworks  
> e.g. Spring framework, Python etc.
> Current Status
> This is a new project with some sample not-ready-for-prime-time code.
> Meritocracy
> The initial developers are very familiar with meritocratic open  
> source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen  
> specifically because the initial developers want to encourage this  
> style of development for the project.
> Community
> Olio seeks to create developer and user communities during incubation.
> Core Developers
> The initial core developers are Sun Microsystems, Inc. employees,  
> and faculty and students at UC Berkeley. We hope to expand this very  
> quickly.
> Alignment
> The developers of the Olio want to work with the Apache Software  
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a  
> strong foundation and set of practices for community-based  
> development.
> Known RisksOrphaned products
> This project has a lot of enthusiasm among the core developers, has  
> ongoing development, and is not orphaned.
> Inexperience with Open Source
> The initial developers are well-versed in open source methodologies  
> and practices.
> Homogenous Developers
> The initial group of developers is from two organizations. We would  
> like to expand this and that is a primary reason for bringing this  
> project to Apache.
> Reliance on Salaried Developers
> Although part of the initial development team are students, the core  
> developers are employed by Sun Microsystems.
> Relationships with Other Apache Products
> None in particular, except that Apache HTTPD is the most common  
> place to run PHP, and which the initial PHP implementation uses.
> A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
> We believe in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put  
> in place. The brand is nice, but is not why we wish to come to Apache.
> DocumentationInitial Source
> Sun Microsystems Inc. intends to donate code for their PHP  
> implementation of the sample events application as well as code to  
> drive load against the application. UC Berkeley intends to donate  
> code for the Ruby on Rails implementation.
> This code is still a work in progress and will be provided primarily  
> as a starting place for a much more robust, community- developed  
> implementation.
> External DependenciesRequired Resources
> Developer mailing lists<moin-email.png> olio- 
> <moin-email.png> 
>  <moin-email.png> <moin-email.png>
> A subversion repository
> A JIRA issue tracker
> Initial Committers
> 	•
> Akara Sucharitakul <<moin-email.png>>  
> Shanti Subramanyam <<moin-email.png>>  
> Sheetal Patil <<moin-email.png>> Binu John  
> <<moin-email.png>> Kim Lichong <<moin-email.png> 
> > William Sobel <<moin-email.png>> Arthur  
> Klepchukov <<moin-email.png>> Craig Russell <<moin-

> email.png>>
> SponsorsChampion
> 	•
> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>>
> Nominated Mentors
> 	•
> Craig Russell <<moin-email.png>> Henning  
> Schmiedehausen <<moin-email.png>> Matt  
> Hogstrom <<moin-email.png>> Rick Hillegas <<moin-

> email.png>Richard.Hillegas@Sun.COM>
> Sponsoring Entity
> The Apache Incubator.
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
> 408 276-5638
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

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