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From "Les Hazlewood" <lhazlew...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Windmill
Date Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:40:05 GMT
Just out of curiosity, where does this fit in versus, say, Selenium, MaxQ,
Canoo WebTest, and others?

There's nothing wrong if Windmill does the same stuff - I'm just curious
what it can do in comparison.

Cheers,

Les

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Mikeal Rogers <mikeal.rogers@gmail.com>wrote:

> This is a proposal to enter the incubator.
>
> See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WindmillProposal for the most
> up-to-date version.
>
> We look forward to comments and discussion.
>
> = Abstract =
>
> The goal of Windmill is to build the best tool for automated testing of
> dynamic Web applications across all major browsers.
>
> = Proposal =
>
> Windmill provides a full-stack automation solution for dynamic
> Web-application testing.
>
> It accomplishes this by implementing an extensive test API in JavaScript,
> and providing an intelligent proxy that can overcome the browser's
> same-domain security policy. The test API allows a single test to run on
> every major browser across all major operating systems.
>
> Windmill boasts a wide range of debugging and test-authoring tools that
> make test writing, debugging, and editing a more streamlined process.
>
> = Background =
>
> Windmill was created at the Open Source Applications Foundation by Mikeal
> Rogers and Adam Christian to test the Chandler Server Web UI. It was
> announced more broadly at OSCON 2007 and has since enjoyed a wide range of
> use and contributions.
>
> In January 2008, all the full-time, paid contributors from OSAF moved on to
> other employment. The project has since retained steady contribution despite
> having no full-time, paid contributors.
>
> In July 2008, we proposed the project move its hosting away from OSAF
> because of uncertainty about long term sustainability -- due to OSAF's
> transition to a smaller-scale, mostly volunteer structure.
>
> = Rationale =
>
> Windmill was created to fulfill a need for a better dynamic Web-application
> testing tool after much frustration with existing solutions. We believe it
> has accomplished this goal and continues to improve, with ongoing, open
> interaction with the community.
>
> What the project currently lacks is clear direction, leadership, and
> process. We believe the project would benefit greatly from Incubator
> mentorship, which would allow it to see much wider adoption, and grow a
> broader community.
>
> = Current Status =
>
> == Meritocracy ==
>
> Since the project's inception, its development has been coordinated through
> collaborative decision-making (e.g., "+1 voting") on the mailing list, and
> open discussion on IRC.
>
> == Community ==
>
> Although the list of Core Developers has remained small we've welcomed
> outside contributions. Along with a few small but good patches, we've
> received some very good bugs and numerous features requests from the
> community. Our wiki documentation is being continually improved by our
> users.
>
> We also have a very good reputation of providing support and resolving
> problems on IRC (#windmill on irc.freenode.net).A number of our users have
> stayed around to help others in need.
>
> == Core Developers ==
>
> Mikeal Rogers (Most of the Python code)
> Adam Christian (Most of the JavaScript code)
>
> == Alignment ==
>
> Since Windmill was started at OSAF, it has enjoyed contributions from a
> variety of paid staff at OSAF. All of those employees are now employed
> elsewhere -- below are the ones that are still active.
>
>  * Mikeal Rogers (Mozillla)
>  * Adam Christian (Slide)
>  * Matthew Eernisse (Seesmic)
>
> = Known Risks =
>
> == Orphaned Products ==
>
> The project has survived the loss of paid contributions and continues to
> grow in use, despite a clear lack of leadership (I have only myself to
> blame).
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>
> All the contributors have a history in open-source development and the
> policies of the project were developed with the help of Ted Leung.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>
> As of July 2008 one developer is paid part-time for his work on Windmill.
> The rest of the contributions are all volunteer at this time.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>
> One can't ignore the impact the Apache brand has on a project, but what
> this project needs isn't branding -- it's the benefit of Incubator
> mentorship, direction, leadership, and process.
>
> = Documentation =
>
> http://windmill.osafoundation.org/
>
> = Initial Source =
>
> The code is currently hosted on OSAF's Subversion server.
>
> http://svn.osafoundation.org/windmill/
>
> = Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =
>
> We've gotten consent from OSAF to move the project to new location.
>
> = External Dependencies =
>
> We have a long list of external Python dependencies. These dependencies are
> managed via setuptools and are not distributed with the Windmill product and
> as such should not need be a licensing concern.
>
> = Required Resources =
>
> == Mailing lists ==
>
>  * windmill-commits
>  * windmill-dev
>  * windmill-users
>
> == Subversion Directory ==
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/windmill
>
> == Issue Tracking ==
>
> JIRA Windmill
>
> = Initial Committers =
>
>  * Mikeal Rogers
>  * Adam Christian
>  * Matthew Eernisse
>
> = Sponsors =
>
> == Champion ==
>
> Ted Leung
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
>
>  * Ted Leung
>
>
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