Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 90229 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2008 18:25:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jul 2008 18:25:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 69771 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jul 2008 18:25:13 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 69253 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jul 2008 18:25:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 69241 invoked by uid 99); 9 Jul 2008 18:25:12 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:25:12 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of davanum@gmail.com designates 209.85.142.190 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.142.190] (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.190) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:24:20 +0000 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w7so1583492tib.6 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=46c/y1G0lRZ8t/13e7DBCS6p4b5R0iban0WXLKmnWpQ=; b=fPgALX5YARL8UVP7Jxlpde05y9GO8PWhXzMO2ePoFdA4aS2/w7FtTWesLoruB/xMeI c0fnr1g7SdNrN3JbbeqPwhTQ9H0w+fbmbaYdLdfpr4jqP3amH4a0hwfcXvLBIRv07YnI 75EMkSQR+M61p8MM0KlgepGp4opBO4BMTItG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=K/smRkrlcgNe8NOIZ+smhFL0HIITxSaJE0WuXX5mePwwDuVaR9efgCcy4dAI+jaBU+ M58m6p8+K2OyEMQvN1sEed9wv29esKFLrtrNZhV415Vs9JeqCH5SnEdoKBRJt/3mktdK i6ru1JP+xZFj+rG0+bUS09qrH476OLjkRfwBE= Received: by 10.150.79.22 with SMTP id c22mr12853425ybb.160.1215627880191; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.101? ( [66.31.154.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w38sm23943190pyg.3.2008.07.09.11.24.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48750264.7060704@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:24:36 -0400 From: Davanum Srinivas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator? References: <19e0530f0807071409t310c9d4bn99d7ba368acc1d60@mail.gmail.com> <510143ac0807071522tff57920pbc1ca7fda6c18e25@mail.gmail.com> <19e0530f0807071600n65620329x6fa5f2b44a9a261f@mail.gmail.com> <20080709174058.3AFA272495A@athena.apache.org> <48750172.3040308@rowe-clan.net> In-Reply-To: <48750172.3040308@rowe-clan.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Happy to confirm it was indeed a rant :) Just wanted folks to see all points of view before they cast their vote. Especially to at least understand why a particular "feature" was in place and think thru the pros and cons. thanks, dims William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: | | | Angela Cymbalak wrote: |> I think that I am in a unique position to comment on this question. I |> am sure there are a lot of legal things and the Maven repository that |> can be pointed to as reasons why not to have an Incubator but I have |> been very pleased with the fact that Apache *does* have the |> Incubator. It has been incredibly helpful to me as I attempt to find |> the right people to show me the ropes at Apache. Code releases aside, |> it appears that it is generally accepted that people and projects who |> are part of the incubator are either novices with Apache or those who |> are willing to help the novices. Without that starting point, finding |> new people and projects could become limited. There is a centralized |> place at Apache for those who are starting out, and without the |> incubator, it doesn't appear that Apache has that. | | Thanks Angie, yes your perspective is very interesting, and I hope it's | already in line with what folks are thinking. | | I think Davanum's subject line was mostly a rant w.r.t. the Maven issue | and not really a commentary on having an incubation process for podlings. | At least, I hope it was ;-) The mixed results that came out of Jakarta | and others proved long ago that we needed /something/. I think we are | awfully close right now, but it is (and always will be) based on the | then-current collection of volunteers and mentors. Today we are doing | better than I had hoped :) | | Bill | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org | For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIdQJkgNg6eWEDv1kRApPJAJ9R2sB7rmGFoZY1t2QYOiAEhtVwfgCeMU5W nXqwLfjK3TxDjYk7VEGj6LI= =LV0b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org