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Subject: Incubator Wiki policy (was: Re: A zone!)
From: Henning Schmiedehausen <hps@intermeta.de>
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To: Chris Chabot <chabotc@xs4all.nl>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:08:21 +0200
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On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 11:19 +0200, Chris Chabot wrote:
> If only life was that easy.
> 
> The party line message we received was "This wiki is for committers  
> only, and you have to request access first", this due to capacity  
> problems.

Well, there is no reason why you can't vote in people as "documentation
committers". 

The party line might be a bit unclear here. If you use the Confluence
Wiki as the "web site generator" like e.g. Geronimo does (create your
web site on the wiki, then use the export plugin to export a static
version of the site), then everyone allowed to write on that wiki must
have signed a CLA. They don't need to be committers, but they must have
signed a CLA. 


> 
> However what i think we -want- from a wiki is what makes wiki's great  
> in general ... the fact that anyone can edit and add documentation to  
> it :) (with a proper amount of reviewing & moderation happening where  
> required ofc".

AFAIK, those limitations are not for the "regular" Wikis under
wiki.apache.org (which are MoinMoin wikis). There could be a few special
incubator rules, too. :-) 


	Ciao
		Henning


> 
> 	-- Chris
> 
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> 
> > Getting a Wiki is as simple as requesting either a MoinMoin or a
> > Confluence Wiki from infra. According to
> >
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIGxSITE/Index
> >
> > there seems to be a Wiki set up already. :-)
> >
> > 	Ciao
> > 		Henning
> >
> > [Cutting down the Cc list a bit]
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 10:46 +0200, Chris Chabot wrote:
> >> What I'm still very hopeful to see is a Wiki system (any flavor will
> >> do) for Shindig.
> >>
> >> The lack of documentation and possibilities for people to contribute
> >> too- has really held our adoptation back a bit, and caused many
> >> duplicate threads on the same subjects to happen.
> >>
> >> On the other hand i remember infrastructure@ saying that a zone  
> >> should
> >> not be used for anything important?
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> 	-- Chris
> >>
> >> On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Kevin Brown wrote:
> >>
> >>> [+shindig-dev, This doesn't belong on shindig-private]
> >>>
> >>> A sample running on ASF infrastructure probably isn't going to  
> >>> happen.
> >>> Continuous integration will, but it's not really reasonable to
> >>> expect apache
> >>> infrastructure to maintain the kind of secure setup that an  
> >>> opensocial
> >>> container needs, and it'd be far too easy for someone to screw it up
> >>> to
> >>> subject said infrastructure to those kinds of security risks.
> >>> There's really
> >>> no strong reason for running a shindig build on apache
> >>> infrastructure, and
> >>> that wasn't the reason for requesting the zone in the first place.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Dan Peterson
> >>> <dpeterson@google.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> (bcc: infra-private)
> >>>>
> >>>> Shindig-private, can someone summarize and get this ball moving on
> >>>> shindig-dev?
> >>>>
> >>>> It'd be nice to have the sample running on Apache's infrastructure
> >>>> with
> >>>> periodic builds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> -Dan
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Joe Schaefer
> >>>> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can we please move this conversation about the domain
> >>>>> name off infra-private now, and put it on shindig-dev
> >>>>> instead?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Brian Eaton <beaton@google.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Brian Eaton <beaton@google.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: A zone!
> >>>>>> To: hps@intermeta.de
> >>>>>> Cc: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com, shindig-private@incubator.apache.org,
> >>>>> infrastructure-private@apache.org, "Ben Laurie" <benl@google.com>
> >>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 6:12 PM
> >>>>>> Why have shindig in the name?  This is only used for
> >>>>>> rendering
> >>>>>> iframes, it never shows up in the URL bar at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen
> >>>>>> <hps@intermeta.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>> How about shindiggadgets.org ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 14:59 -0700, Brian Eaton wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Henning
> >>>>>> Schmiedehausen
> >>>>>>>> <hps@intermeta.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Let's go with
> >>>>>> "shindigcontainer.org" or
> >>>>>> "apache-shindig.org". Everyone
> >>>>>>>>> will know what is meant.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Will they?  To me "apache-shindig.org"
> >>>>>> means "This is code provided by
> >>>>>>>> the Apache Shindig project".  That's not
> >>>>>> true at all for gadgets.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm still leaning towards amodules.org.
> >>>>>> Nothing Apache or Shindig
> >>>>>>>> branded, this is third-party code.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Henning P. Schmiedehausen  -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE,
> >>>>>> Linux, Unix
> >>>>>>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany   -- +49 9131 506540  |
> >>>>>> Apache Java Software
> >>>>>>> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design    |
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG
> >>>>>> Fuerth, HRB 7350
> >>>>>>> Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer:
> >>>>>> Henning Schmiedehausen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> char name_buf[257];           /* max unix filename is
> >>>>>> 256, right? */
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> > -- 
> > Henning P. Schmiedehausen  -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE, Linux, Unix
> > 91054 Buckenhof, Germany   -- +49 9131 506540  | Apache Java Software
> > Open Source Consulting, Development, Design    |
> >
> > INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB  
> > 7350
> > Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning  
> > Schmiedehausen
> >
> >  char name_buf[257];           /* max unix filename is 256, right? */
> >
> 
-- 
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