From general-return-18874-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jul 08 00:02:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 21420 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 00:01:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Jul 2008 00:01:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19632 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jul 2008 00:01:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19464 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jul 2008 00:01:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19453 invoked by uid 99); 8 Jul 2008 00:01:57 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:01:57 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com designates 74.125.44.157 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.44.157] (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.157) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:01:06 +0000 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so567374yxh.0 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=JU+r4exL7TXJzqolYXCz2fRw9+fMpLaxPq5MY7kUnKI=; b=MQCixMayw0ayqpW6fItJxXLESGsyNhg2DuHwacilmV5w4mxROd5m9kKfGg1CGMJV29 +xz28N94x2b4da6qKd++1NcyNbzJWhDj+dB9n3fSrXOBU9GEm0QeMPy8Yz79jrJOqDbS 3wbSZoe5xom4ECtm+tRv5QIMtOgsSv7itUvug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Epzh0OEj2qoGwEgD6ZnsxFEU4ANmb7KWhREh25wVoXqLHkEYgo9GGsWYDTLy0r9ZmN PvME4VLxYhijQh2OT5vpSF9l7D/iv58Lh1TqYcPBNuTpprqDi3/LcZj0TBCoJxYNW2IP DAVbsqwZrJpcsdqR4MK+/iowpniOeKAUaGCIg= Received: by 10.150.150.3 with SMTP id x3mr9179540ybd.53.1215475287920; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.133.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5c902b9e0807071701h65aefcd7o542abe8c0e16137@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:01:27 -0700 From: "Justin Erenkrantz" Sender: justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <19e0530f0807071409t310c9d4bn99d7ba368acc1d60@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 54b906e63b343ff2 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > So, my question is, if Apache is about "Community over code", why are we > putting up barriers to getting the code if that is also creating barriers to > building the community? Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code is just as important - if not more so. For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal standard as releases from other PMCs. The Incubator PMC is generally comfortable releasing code that is not yet legally at the same standard as other PMCs would. Everyone understands that and it's okay. This is why we have explicit disclaimers regarding releases. In light of that, I believe it is prudent for us to place certain reasonable low barriers at getting the code. Since Maven can't display any notices when it downloads a binary, then that isn't a tool that we should be recommending for implicit distribution. The Maven devs are fully aware what it would take to satisfy that, but it's not very high on their priority list. Hence, it's not high on my list to work around a tool that doesn't support our desired policies. -- justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org