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From "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:18:08 GMT
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that serve?...

I don't see why we would get rid of disclaimers.
-Bertrand

>
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> | Hi Dims,
> |
> | On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> |
> |> ...Any PMC that ships incubator developed code is responsible for what
> |> happens when a community does not form around the code base used. Any
> |> one outside Apache that ships incubator code should be totally aware
> |> of what they are getting into....
> |
> | Agreed.
> |
> |> ...Bottom line, who ever used abdera code should do it consciously. I
> |> agree that adding a second repo may be causing pain to the end users.
> |> But this is for better or worse a "feature" because we don't have a
> |> better way of doing this given the tools we have and the use cases the
> |> tools are pushing on unsuspecting users :)...
> |
> | It might be a feature when someone has add the incubating repository
> | to their configs the first time they need it, but after that any
> | incubating artifacts might sneak in without people noticing it. People
> | will add the incubating repository to their parent poms, and it will
> | be mostly invisible after that.
> |
> |> ...So can we figure out another way to make the end user make a conscious
> |> decision?...
> |
> | The final solution to this probably belongs in Maven, where the
> | general case of "I want to approve any transitive dependency
> | explicitely" should be solved. I'm not following Maven enough to know
> | if that's on their todo list.
> |
> |> ...I doubt we will get much help from the maven team to support this use
> |> case. They would rather get the central repo and get it done! What
> |> bugs me is that in this whole discussion, no one even mentions how
> |> easy it is to add another repo in the poms or the settings....
> |
> | I agree that it is easy, but as explained above it probably only
> | solves a small part of the problem, and some of us think that that's
> | not worth the hassle. Add on top of that the varying perception of the
> | quality and "Apacheness" of incubator releases, and you get the whole
> | range of opinions about a separate repository, which we're seeing in
> | this and other discussions.
> |
> |> ...Why can't people at least pretend to come up with some alternatives
> |> rather than just chant "central repo!" :)...
> |
> | The central repository is very useful for Maven users, so I guess we
> | want it to be as complete as possible.
> |
> | -Bertrand
> |
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 Bertrand Delacretaz
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