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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Installers for couchdb
Date Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:10:26 GMT

On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:41 AM, James Carman wrote:

> Doesn't requiring a library with an excluded license pretty much throw
> the apache license part out the window?

No, Apache distributions contain Apache-licensed code and Apache- 
compatible-licensed code.

Many Apache projects have dependencies on third party products but  
that doesn't change the nature of the Apache project.

> ...snipped

Craig

> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com 
> > wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Philippe Ombredanne wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy:
>>> I am working on couchdb installers that I would like to contribute  
>>> back to
>>> the project:
>>> A fully functional CouchDb install has a few external dependencies  
>>> such
>>> as:
>>> - ICU (ICU License a BSD/MIT style license)
>>> - Mozilla SpiderMonkey (MPL, GPL or LGPL)
>>> - Erlang (ERLANG PUBLIC LICENSE)
>>> - Openssl (OpenSSL license, a BSD style license)
>>>
>>> My understanding is that it would not be acceptable IP-clearance  
>>> wise to
>>> have all (though some may be) those bits shipped as part of all- 
>>> inclusive
>>> installers.
>>
>> That's my understanding of the current consensus as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> My request:
>>> Would it be acceptable to create installers that would fetch at  
>>> install
>>> time
>>> the required external bits from their original download locations?
>>> Those fetch operations would be clearly presented as external fetch
>>> operationsto the users.
>>
>> I think the current operative policy is from
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html:
>>       • For add-ons under excluded licenses, the PMC may provide a
>> link/reference on the product web site or within product  
>> documentation to
>> some other web site that hosts such add-ons (e.g. a SF.net project  
>> or some
>> third-party site dedicated to distributing add-ons for the Apache  
>> product)
>> as long as it is made clear to users that the host site is not part  
>> of the
>> Apache product nor endorsed by the ASF.
>>       • For add-ons under excluded licenses, the PMC may include a  
>> feature
>> within the product that allows the user to obtain third-party add- 
>> ons if the
>> feature also alerts the user of the associated license and makes  
>> clear to
>> users that the host site is not part of the Apache product nor  
>> endorsed by
>> the ASF.
>>
>> So as long as your installer makes it clear to the user that the  
>> external
>> bits are not Apache-licensed, I read the policy as allowing the  
>> CouchDb
>> installer to fetch and install them and thereby make them available  
>> to the
>> CouchDb user.
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>> Cordially
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>> philippe ombredanne | 1 650 799 0949 | pombredanne at nexb.com
>>> nexB - Open by Design (tm) - http://www.nexb.com
>>> http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net - http://eclipse.org/atf 
>>>  -
>>> http://eclipse.org/vep - http://labs.jboss.org/drools/ -
>>> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner
>>>
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>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ 
>> jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
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Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!


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