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From "Malcolm Edgar" <malcolm.ed...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Click for Incubation
Date Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:43:04 GMT
An updated proposal is available on the WIKI

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ClickProposal

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Malcolm Edgar <malcolm.edgar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes meritocracy; spelling never was best attribute.
>
> regards Malcolm edgar
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Martijn Dashorst
> <martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think you mean meritocracy instead of mediocrity :)
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Malcolm Edgar <malcolm.edgar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I do take the point that there are no "project leads" in ASF and if
>>> Click were to go throught the incubator process and become a fully
>>> fledged ASF project that this would change. The project would follow
>>> the Apache mediocrity rules. I genuinely belive that this would be a
>>> good thing, long running projects need new ideas and new people to
>>> continue to move them forward.
>>>
>>> The brief summary of the project history in the proposal does make the
>>> community role look more shallow than it is. If you view the projects
>>> change history:
>>>
>>>   http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
>>>
>>> you can see the diversity of the contributions from community members
>>> made over the life of the project.
>>>
>>> I think the Mediocirty section of the proposal should be updated to
>>> address these concerns.
>>>
>>> regards Malcolm Edgar
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are no "project leads" at the ASF.  All committers who become a
>>>>> member
>>>>> of the PMC shall have an equal say in the project.  This can cause a
great
>>>>> amount of friction when the project is perceived to be "owned" by a small
>>>>> subset of the pmc members.  Explosions within such projects happen at
>>>>> least
>>>>> once a year, sometimes for the better and often for the worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have hoped that under Meritocracy, something about the transition
>>>>> from benevolent dictator to project management committee would be said.
>>>>> I would like to know, for example, if every committer will become a PPMC
>>>>> member, or if this is a PPMC of two (Malcolm and Bob).
>>>>
>>>> While I agree with the general point, I should add, that "no project leads"
>>>> does not mean that you should add random people to the PMC, just because
>>>> they posted a few times on the mailing list or submitted a trivial patch.
>>>> "Meritocracy" means just that - give and elevate karma of people who make
>>>> the project happen. I thought it is important to underscore this point, as
>>>> there is often a fear of a project being hijacked.
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
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