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From "Malcolm Edgar" <malcolm.ed...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Click for Incubation
Date Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:05:40 GMT
Yes meritocracy; spelling never was best attribute.

regards Malcolm edgar

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Martijn Dashorst
<martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you mean meritocracy instead of mediocrity :)
>
> Martijn
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Malcolm Edgar <malcolm.edgar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I do take the point that there are no "project leads" in ASF and if
>> Click were to go throught the incubator process and become a fully
>> fledged ASF project that this would change. The project would follow
>> the Apache mediocrity rules. I genuinely belive that this would be a
>> good thing, long running projects need new ideas and new people to
>> continue to move them forward.
>>
>> The brief summary of the project history in the proposal does make the
>> community role look more shallow than it is. If you view the projects
>> change history:
>>
>>   http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
>>
>> you can see the diversity of the contributions from community members
>> made over the life of the project.
>>
>> I think the Mediocirty section of the proposal should be updated to
>> address these concerns.
>>
>> regards Malcolm Edgar
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are no "project leads" at the ASF.  All committers who become a
>>>> member
>>>> of the PMC shall have an equal say in the project.  This can cause a great
>>>> amount of friction when the project is perceived to be "owned" by a small
>>>> subset of the pmc members.  Explosions within such projects happen at
>>>> least
>>>> once a year, sometimes for the better and often for the worse.
>>>>
>>>> I would have hoped that under Meritocracy, something about the transition
>>>> from benevolent dictator to project management committee would be said.
>>>> I would like to know, for example, if every committer will become a PPMC
>>>> member, or if this is a PPMC of two (Malcolm and Bob).
>>>
>>> While I agree with the general point, I should add, that "no project leads"
>>> does not mean that you should add random people to the PMC, just because
>>> they posted a few times on the mailing list or submitted a trivial patch.
>>> "Meritocracy" means just that - give and elevate karma of people who make
>>> the project happen. I thought it is important to underscore this point, as
>>> there is often a fear of a project being hijacked.
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
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