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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:21:35 GMT
if one set of users never see them, why should everyone else?

-- dims

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...Ok. Next we get rid of disclaimers everywhere? What purpose does that serve?...
>
> I don't see why we would get rid of disclaimers.
> -Bertrand
>
>>
>> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> | Hi Dims,
>> |
>> | On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> |
>> |> ...Any PMC that ships incubator developed code is responsible for what
>> |> happens when a community does not form around the code base used. Any
>> |> one outside Apache that ships incubator code should be totally aware
>> |> of what they are getting into....
>> |
>> | Agreed.
>> |
>> |> ...Bottom line, who ever used abdera code should do it consciously. I
>> |> agree that adding a second repo may be causing pain to the end users.
>> |> But this is for better or worse a "feature" because we don't have a
>> |> better way of doing this given the tools we have and the use cases the
>> |> tools are pushing on unsuspecting users :)...
>> |
>> | It might be a feature when someone has add the incubating repository
>> | to their configs the first time they need it, but after that any
>> | incubating artifacts might sneak in without people noticing it. People
>> | will add the incubating repository to their parent poms, and it will
>> | be mostly invisible after that.
>> |
>> |> ...So can we figure out another way to make the end user make a conscious
>> |> decision?...
>> |
>> | The final solution to this probably belongs in Maven, where the
>> | general case of "I want to approve any transitive dependency
>> | explicitely" should be solved. I'm not following Maven enough to know
>> | if that's on their todo list.
>> |
>> |> ...I doubt we will get much help from the maven team to support this use
>> |> case. They would rather get the central repo and get it done! What
>> |> bugs me is that in this whole discussion, no one even mentions how
>> |> easy it is to add another repo in the poms or the settings....
>> |
>> | I agree that it is easy, but as explained above it probably only
>> | solves a small part of the problem, and some of us think that that's
>> | not worth the hassle. Add on top of that the varying perception of the
>> | quality and "Apacheness" of incubator releases, and you get the whole
>> | range of opinions about a separate repository, which we're seeing in
>> | this and other discussions.
>> |
>> |> ...Why can't people at least pretend to come up with some alternatives
>> |> rather than just chant "central repo!" :)...
>> |
>> | The central repository is very useful for Maven users, so I guess we
>> | want it to be as complete as possible.
>> |
>> | -Bertrand
>> |
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