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Subject: Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers
From: Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk>
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:47:19 +0100
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I would be quite happy with the below. It reads sufficiently
straightforwardly.

Regards, Upayavira

On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 13:29 -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have:
> ---
> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
> calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
> vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are
> three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in
> order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their
> support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote
> results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the
> Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review
> all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache
> members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an
> issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members).
> ---
> 
> I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to:
> ---
> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
> *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
> vote threads by the PPMC.  *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK
> the receipt of the vote.  This starts a 72-hour window for lazy
> consensus.  After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member
> for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is
> approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer
> invitation process.*
> ---
> 
> This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt
> full ASF board.  I like the concept of expanding this for committers
> as well for Incubation, so there.  I don't like needless 'dual
> voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute
> oversight.
> 
> WDYT?    -- justin
> 
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