From general-return-18530-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Jun 05 21:48:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42633 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 21:48:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 21:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 71073 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2008 21:48:55 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 70940 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2008 21:48:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 70929 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2008 21:48:55 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:48:55 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of gnodet@gmail.com designates 209.85.134.189 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.134.189] (HELO mu-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.134.189) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:48:06 +0000 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so429644mue.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LU2JsXdE6AkN8M+GH4wKMoCVdwVjPYsQrpdXFCeTXH0=; b=IjYDusMFiwSP8IG1obPM30kQek1J0hTAfEseWrs6Ly88epXAQX7fTmqtqSmw2DPrAr 4XusSTxGXiJ+REP0sR7aHjKBIo3/ie/PUefDlKD2Yf6XCdCzKRgVA0AvJisqfaNUN2t7 vtYr+hB27IRUG1hjgoCqH6sxE6FS5ogyuqQzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wPMr3bCBoXvZspHumdU8OBd5WHQSPtm6pyhOk2A3xTD8l1GnOt27rqtSklzko3Bzfz nd18pRJEAyQ5vDql5OSPbFDuz/xffdYNA5VRbqNMlpXa+5r1Gx569/z1Sqid9vaNyRa6 /l3N0vr8I4e1nGw0pgLLziPpPLvoJCXKsFxUE= Received: by 10.103.206.4 with SMTP id i4mr1077916muq.69.1212702502506; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.245.6 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:48:22 +0200 From: "Guillaume Nodet" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers In-Reply-To: <5c902b9e0806031329m5d437e7w88b92199e456e722@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5c902b9e0806031329m5d437e7w88b92199e456e722@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org +1 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the > vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the > podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best > practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the > discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and > vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are > three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in > order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their > support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote > results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the > Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review > all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache > members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an > issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members). > --- > > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the > vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the > podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best > practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the > discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and > vote threads by the PPMC. *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK > the receipt of the vote. This starts a 72-hour window for lazy > consensus. After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member > for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is > approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer > invitation process.* > --- > > This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt > full ASF board. I like the concept of expanding this for committers > as well for Incubation, so there. I don't like needless 'dual > voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute > oversight. > > WDYT? -- justin > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet ------------------------ Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org