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From "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Subject [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)
Date Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:45:36 GMT
Hi,

I'd like to ask for a vote on Justin's proposal below, to change the
"Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list.." paragraph at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html .

There were lots of +1s in the original thread, and a minor concern
that this does not explicitely that 3 +1 votes from Incubator PMC
members are required.

That concern is addressed by the text that follows this paragraph on
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html:

> Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding, but votes by the PPMC are
> very important. The entire PPMC should show support for the nominee. If the vote is
> positive (three or more binding +1 votes and no binding -1 votes), the proposer...

So I think Justin's proposal is good to go - please cast your votes,
so that we can clarify this and move on.

-Bertrand

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz
<justin@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have:
> ---
> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
> calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
> vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are
> three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in
> order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their
> support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote
> results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the
> Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review
> all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache
> members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an
> issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members).
> ---
>
> I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to:
> ---
> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
> *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
> vote threads by the PPMC.  *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK
> the receipt of the vote.  This starts a 72-hour window for lazy
> consensus.  After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member
> for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is
> approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer
> invitation process.*
> ---
>
> This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt
> full ASF board.  I like the concept of expanding this for committers
> as well for Incubation, so there.  I don't like needless 'dual
> voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute
> oversight.
>
> WDYT?    -- justin

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