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From "Martijn Dashorst" <martijn.dasho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)
Date Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:10:33 GMT
+1

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to ask for a vote on Justin's proposal below, to change the
> "Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list.." paragraph at
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html .
>
> There were lots of +1s in the original thread, and a minor concern
> that this does not explicitely that 3 +1 votes from Incubator PMC
> members are required.
>
> That concern is addressed by the text that follows this paragraph on
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html:
>
>> Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding, but votes by the PPMC are
>> very important. The entire PPMC should show support for the nominee. If the vote
is
>> positive (three or more binding +1 votes and no binding -1 votes), the proposer...
>
> So I think Justin's proposal is good to go - please cast your votes,
> so that we can clarify this and move on.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz
> <justin@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
>> Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have:
>> ---
>> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
>> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
>> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
>> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
>> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
>> calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
>> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
>> vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are
>> three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in
>> order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their
>> support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote
>> results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the
>> Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review
>> all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache
>> members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an
>> issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members).
>> ---
>>
>> I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to:
>> ---
>> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
>> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
>> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
>> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
>> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
>> *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
>> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
>> vote threads by the PPMC.  *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK
>> the receipt of the vote.  This starts a 72-hour window for lazy
>> consensus.  After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member
>> for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is
>> approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer
>> invitation process.*
>> ---
>>
>> This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt
>> full ASF board.  I like the concept of expanding this for committers
>> as well for Incubation, so there.  I don't like needless 'dual
>> voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute
>> oversight.
>>
>> WDYT?    -- justin
>
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