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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] 72-hour lazy consensus for podling committer + PPMC member votes (was: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes...)
Date Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:15:05 GMT
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+1

Martijn Dashorst wrote:
| +1
|
| On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
| <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I'd like to ask for a vote on Justin's proposal below, to change the
|> "Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list.." paragraph at
|> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html .
|>
|> There were lots of +1s in the original thread, and a minor concern
|> that this does not explicitely that 3 +1 votes from Incubator PMC
|> members are required.
|>
|> That concern is addressed by the text that follows this paragraph on
|> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html:
|>
|>> Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding, but votes by the PPMC are
|>> very important. The entire PPMC should show support for the nominee. If the vote
is
|>> positive (three or more binding +1 votes and no binding -1 votes), the proposer...
|> So I think Justin's proposal is good to go - please cast your votes,
|> so that we can clarify this and move on.
|>
|> -Bertrand
|>
|> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz
|> <justin@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
|>> Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have:
|>> ---
|>> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
|>> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
|>> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
|>> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
|>> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
|>> calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
|>> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
|>> vote threads by the PPMC. The Incubator vote is done even if there are
|>> three +1 votes from Incubator PMC members during the PPMC vote, in
|>> order to give all Incubator PMC members a chance to express their
|>> support or disapproval after seeing the PPMC discussion and vote
|>> results. Note that only the Incubator PMC members can see the
|>> Incubator private discussion, and the podling's Mentors should review
|>> all Incubator PMC feedback with the PPMC. Moreover, only Apache
|>> members may review the private PPMC list (this is normally not an
|>> issue since most Incubator PMC members are Apache members).
|>> ---
|>>
|>> I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to:
|>> ---
|>> Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the
|>> Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the
|>> vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the
|>> podling's private list. Many consider this approach to be best
|>> practice. After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer
|>> *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list, summarizing the
|>> discussion and vote, with a reference to the archived discussion and
|>> vote threads by the PPMC.  *Any member of the Incubator PMC can ACK
|>> the receipt of the vote.  This starts a 72-hour window for lazy
|>> consensus.  After 72 hours and no requests by any Incubator PMC member
|>> for a full vote by the Incubator PMC, the committer request is
|>> approved by the Incubator PMC and the PPMC can start the committer
|>> invitation process.*
|>> ---
|>>
|>> This intentionally follows the procedure for adding a PMC member wrt
|>> full ASF board.  I like the concept of expanding this for committers
|>> as well for Incubation, so there.  I don't like needless 'dual
|>> voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute
|>> oversight.
|>>
|>> WDYT?    -- justin
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