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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Date Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:35:16 GMT
Hi Alex,

I think the proposal is a good one and has good prospects for success.  
No quarrel with anything you've said.

Craig

On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell  
> <Craig.Russell@sun.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>
>>> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a  
>>> good
>>>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
>>>>
>>>
>>> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track".
>>>
>>
>> Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for  
>> the
>> incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP  
>> issues,
>> build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I  
>> don't
>> think all projects are on the fast track.
>>
>
> It's all up to the community.  They're in charge of their destiny  
> and it's
> up to them to achieve what is required for graduation.
>
> Bottom line, the podling must meet the Apache Incubator's criteria.   
> If that
> occurs quickly then wonderful, if not, then it may take some more  
> time to
> cook.  It may never graduate at all if the criteria are not met and  
> the
> right community does not gel.  Furthermore, the project may decide  
> down the
> road that the Apache Way may not be the best way for them.  Who  
> knows?  Even
> with our easiest incubation (Wicket I think) we were hopeful at the  
> start
> but you just never know how long this will take.
>
> Healthy stable communities form like a fine wine and rushing  
> graduation is
> like rushing the fermentation process.  It takes a while to get  
> there but
> when we do we've got a gem.  Regardless though, let's not impose  
> artificial
> time frames on increasing or decreasing the incubation time. Let's  
> just get
> on with meeting the criteria for graduation.  That's the best that  
> we can
> do.
>
>
>>
>>
>> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the  
>> podling
>>> in action.
>>>
>>
>> And most incubator folks agree.
>>
>
> +1
>
> Regards,
> Alex

Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!


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