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From "Niall Pemberton" <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: maven-repository cont.
Date Sat, 31 May 2008 01:02:50 GMT
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30/05/2008, Brian E. Fox <brianf@reply.infinity.nu> wrote:
>> I personally think we have conflicting rules in the way we handle
>>  incubator releases.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On the one hand, we require incubator releases to be in a separate
>>  repository... for whatever reason (they aren't part of Apache, they
>>  aren't stable enough, etc).
>>  On the other hand, we allow regular releases
>>  of apache artifacts into the central repository with dependencies on
>>  incubator artifacts.
>>
>
> That's wrong, IMO.
>
>>
>>  On many occasions, I've seen this cause people lots of confusion because
>>  they update to a new version of an existing artifact and suddenly their
>>  build fails to find a dependency. (because the new version is now using
>>  an incubating artifact)
>>
>>
>>
>>  IMO, things going into the central repository must have their entire
>>  transitive hull available in the central repository. Therefore, we must
>>  draw one of two conclusions:
>>
>>
>>
>>  1.      Incubator releases go into Central
>
> -1
>
>>
>>  2.      Regular releases cannot use Incubator artifacts
>>
>
> +1
>
>>
>>  Since the whole point of the incubator releases is to get some people to
>>  use them and prove them out, I say 2 is not really an option.
>
> They can still be tried.
>
> But products should not be released to the repository with a
> dependency on incubator releases.
>
>>  If the PMC
>>  of a given project tests out an incubator artifact and deems it good
>>  enough for a release, then that should be enough....
>
> As has been pointed out before, it's not just about code quality.
>
> AIUI, formal ASF releases have some legal protection for the people
> who make the release.
> This is not the case if the software has not been formally approved as
> an ASF release.

I thought the opposite as podlings are only allowed to release
following a vote from the incubator PMC - I went looking at the docs
and found the following statement to support that:

"Every incubator release is also an Apache release"

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#rules

Niall

>>  But let's make it
>>  easier for the users by having those dependencies available.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --Brian

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