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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: License files - separate or one file [was Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating (updated)]
Date Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:59:49 GMT
On 02/04/2008, Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Dan Diephouse wrote:
>
>
> > Dan Diephouse wrote:
> >
> > > sebb wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 31/03/2008, Dan Diephouse <dan.diephouse@mulesource.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >>> -1: The LICENSE files need to either contain copies
of the 3rd
> party
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>  > licenses, or they need to have a reference to the
3rd party
> licences.
> > > > > >>  > Equally, there is no need for the lib directory to
contain
> copies of
> > > > > >>  > the AL for every ASF product.
> > > > > >>  >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Why does the LICENSE file need to have a copy of all the
other
> licenses?
> > > > > >>  These are contained in the lib/ directory like many other
ASF
> projects.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See the last paragraph of:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html#new
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "or at least put a pointer in the LICENSE file to the third-party
> > > > > license" - which we in the NOTICE file.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But they need to go in the LICENSE file, see:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html#new
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Did you not read the next paragraph?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is not a legal requirement here that it must be in the LICENSE
> > > > > file itself - if so, please point me to the place in the license.
> This
> > > > > is page is to provide "guidance" (see the first sentence), not be
> the
> > > > > ultimate authority on what exactly is legally permissible for
> distributions.
> > > > >
> > > > >  If you look at many other ASF projects in the incubator and
> outside,
> > > > > you'll see that this is not an enforced policy - this is simply
> telling
> > > > > developers one way to get started here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > Can other people please chime in here?
> > >
> > > I have never ever seen this enforced and I do not believe its a
> requirement. Just to summarize - do we need to 1) include all the licenses
> for all our dependencies in a single libary or can we 2) have our top
> LICENSE file which is ASL and then have individual LICENSE files for each
> library in the lib/ directory.
> > >
> > > I think not allowing the second would be a HUGE mistake. It makes it
> much clearer which license applies to which file.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > I misspoke. Here's what I meant to ask:
> >
> > Do we need to 1) include all the licenses for all our dependencies in a
> single LICENSE file or can we 2) have our top LICENSE file which is ASL and
> then have individual LICENSE files for each library in the lib/ directory.
> >
>
>  I'm not aware of a requirement for having only 1 LICENSE file. In fact, the
> document says you don't have to append 3rd-party licenses to the LICENSE
> file. It does say you should put a pointer to the license files. So, IMO, 2)
> is fine. Other Apache projects do this also.

2) is fine so long as the main LICENSE jar tells users where to find
the other license - i.e. it  has pointers to the other licenses.

>  I do think LICENSE information in jar files should be complete (i.e. jar
> files shouldn't reference information that would only be found in a full
> binary distribution). It looks like your jars are ok, in that respect.
>
>  On the other hand, I believe there must be only one NOTICE file. I see
> multiple NOTICE files in your jars. I haven't downloaded the full
> distribution given the number of changes which seem to be occurring... Hard
> to keep track.
>
>  --kevan

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