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Subject: Re: Graduation resolution feedback - Qpid as TLP
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On 29/02/2008, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> Comments on last version ..
>
>  - It looks like you are using a non-applicable template for the board
> resolution. Take a look at other incubator graduation resolutions.
>  - Specifically, the paragraph on establishing bylaws isn't applicable,
>  and the incubator needs to be discharged of responsibility.

See below - only half of the above seems to have been addressed.

> - Can you rework this; it's simply too recursive.  Deconstruct Qpid
> Messaging back to it's purpose/definition.  Thanks :)

Still seems recursive to me, see below.

>
> Attached is an updated charter with corrections for these. Please review
>
>  Kind regards.
>
>
>
>        WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>        interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>        Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>        Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>        open-source software related to the Qpid messaging implementation,

Is Qpid an existing independent implementation?
And is the project creating software for it?

I would expect the project to implement (i.e. create and maintain an
implementation of) a protocol or an API or other kind of
specification.

>        for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
>        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>        Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Qpid Project",
>        be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>        Foundation; and be it further
>
>        RESOLVED, that the Apache Qpid Project be and hereby is
>        responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>        related to the Qpid messaging implementation; a multiple
>        language implementation based on the Advanced Messaged
>        Queuing Protocol (AMQP) and related technologies such as
>        messaging transaction management, federation, security,
>        management; and be it further

Still seems circular to me.
See also comments on Qpid above.

>        RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Qpid" be and
>        hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at
>        the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the
>        Apache Qpid Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>        management of the projects within the scope of responsibility
>        of the Apache Qpid Project; and be it further
>
>        RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>        hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>        Apache Qpid Project:
>
>          * Alan Conway
>          * Arnaud Simon
>          * Carl Trieloff
>          * Gordon Sim
>          * John O'Hara
>          * Marnie McCormack
>          * Martin Ritchie
>          * Rafael Schloming
>          * Rajith Attapattu
>          * Robert Greig
>          * Robert Godfrey

None of the mentors seem to be included.
Perhaps this is normal for graduating podlings?

>        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
>        Carl Trieloff be appointed to the office of Vice President,
>        Qpid, to serve in accordance with and subject to the
>        direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>        Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>        disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>        further
>
>        RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Qpid Project be and
>        hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
>        to encourage open development and increased participation in
>        the Qpid Project; and be it further

Is the above paragraph needed?

>        RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Qpid
>        Project encumbered upon the Apache Incubator be hereafter
>        discharged.
>
>
>
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