incubator-general mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: KEYS file in distribution
Date Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:53:35 GMT
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:03 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2008, Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Christopher Lenz <cmlenz@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >  > On 18.03.2008, at 22:06, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >  > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Christopher Lenz <cmlenz@gmx.de>
> >  > > wrote:
> >  > >> I wonder because with CouchDB, source tarballs are created through
> >  > >> the
> >  > >> GNU-Autotools based build process, rather than being a raw `svn
> >  > >> export` of the release tag. We don't keep the auto*-generated
> >  > >> configure/make files in the repository (they are generated files
> >  > >> after
> >  > >> all), but do include them in source tarballs to limit build-time
> >  > >> dependencies and make the build process easier for the user.
> >  > >>
> >  > >> I guess we could start checking in the generating build files into
> >  > >> SVN
> >  > >> if that's required. But maybe you can back that statement up a bit
> >  > >> before we do so?
> >  > >
> >  > > lots of binary distributions at apache contain source. this makes
> them
> >  > > binary distributions containing source, not source distributions.
> >  >
> >  > Maybe I didn't explain properly… our previous (pre-incubation) source
> >  > distributions did not contain any binaries, only source. The
> >  > difference between the tarballs and a source control checkout is that
> >  > the former has some generated build scripts.
> >
> >
> >
> > yes: you explained that quite well the first time
> >
> >  any distribution containing stuff which isn't in subversion is by
> definition
> >  a binary distribution
> >
>
> Is this documented anywhere?
>

documentation: if only :-)

it's written down in the very beta release draft stuff but IMHO it doesn't
really count since it's mostly written by your truely and hasn't been
actively reviewed by the community

>  Looking into the HTTPD repos and comparing to the HTTPD source
> >  > tarballs, they appear to be doing the same thing: there's a
> >  > "configure" file in the source tarball, but not in the repos. In
> >  > general I'd say this is common practice for any project based on
> >  > Autotools.
> >
> >
> >
> > IMHO it's not worth getting into arguments about HTTPD current verses
> >  original/best practice
> >
> >  yes, it's common practice but it's important to distinguish terminology
> from
> >  presentation. what a source distribution means is a direct export from
> >  subversion. it's fine to create a distribution containing generated
> stuff;
> >  call it what you will; recommend it to users who want to build from
> source.
> >  still counts as a binary as far as rules and whatnot go.
>
> And where are these rules defined?


the terms rules is a little inaccurate: apache doesn't really have rules
just policy and practice policy by social means

incubator policy is in
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html. apache policy
which has been written down is in http://www.apache.org/dev/.

whenever the term source distribution is used is means an export of
subversion rather than anything which has extra stuff in it

- robert

Mime
  • Unnamed multipart/alternative (inline, None, 0 bytes)
View raw message