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From Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
Date Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:57:10 GMT

Matthieu,

On Sunday 23 March 2008, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> Robert Godfrey doesn't seem to be working for either company. I also
> haven't found any affiliation for Rupert Ls Smith but you seem to be
> pretty good at finding them so maybe you (or somebody else) have an
> idea? Both have been committing regularly and recently.

Unfortunately, the link to the amqp.0-10.pdf:
https://jira.amqp.org/confluence/download/attachments/720900/amqp.0-10.pdf?version=1
seems to be down right now.   The pdf lists both Godfrey and Smith as 
JPMC.   

The source for that section of the PDF, however, can be seen at:
https://svn.amqp.org/amqp/trunk/amqp_spec/preface.xml

Thus, from that, it looks like while working on/reviewing the AMQP spec, 
they do represent JPMC.  Since qpid is implementing the AMQP spec......

Now,that said, that list could be out of date.  They might no longer have 
any affiliation with JPMC.  A couple of the IONA folks listed no longer 
work for IONA so it's quite possible.   I can only report what I see.  
I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.  That said, both are recent additions to 
the list (they aren't in the 0-9 version, but are in the latest 0-10 
version).

> There are also a few Iona developers and one WSO2 guy (sorry Paul, I'm
> not counting you ;) ) on the initial proposal, did they stop working
> on the project?

Pretty much.  I know Vinoski was committing some stuff (mostly maven 
build system stuff that has since been ripped out) but specifically 
stopped when he left IONA.  I also was helping with Maven related 
questions/issues (I subscribe to qpid-dev) until the maven stuff was 
removed.   Not sure about the other IONA folks.

Dan



> Btw I'm not a great fan of insinuations that people voluntarily hide
> their affiliations. If you have any material evidence then provide
> them, otherwise I'd rather you keep those remarks for yourself.
>
> Cheers,
> Matthieu
>
> > IMO, if there is even a question of diversity at all, that warrants
> > a -1. From my experience, there isn't a compelling reason to speed
> > them out of the incubator if there is a question like this.   Lets
> > make sure that they CAN address the diversity issue first.  It looks
> > like they are working on it, which is great, but lets make sure they
> > will follow up on that and get it done.  That's an important part of
> > the incubators job.
> >
> > Anyway, I'd vote -1, but my vote wouldn't be binding.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/qpid.html
> > [2]
> >
> > https://jira.amqp.org/confluence/download/attachments/720900/amqp.0-
> >10.pdf?version=1 [3] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/QpidProposal
> > [4] http://www.linkedin.com/in/nunofsantos
> > [5]
> > http://hany.sk/~hany/RPM/f-8-x86_64/qpidc-devel-0.2-5.fc7.i386.html<
> >http://hany.sk/%7Ehany/RPM/f-8-x86_64/qpidc-devel-0.2-5.fc7.i386.html
> >>
> >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Yoav Shapira
> > > <yoavs@yoavshapira.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> > > >
> > > >  <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >  > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Carl Trieloff
> >
> > <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >  >  At this point the Apache Qpid community with support from
> > > > >  > its mentors feels that
> > > > >  >
> > > >  >  >  it is ready to graduate to an official top level project
> > > >  >  > at Apache
> > > > >
> > > > >  but another voice asks: are they really ready today? has the
> > > > > IPMC
> > > > >
> > > >  >  fully equipped them for the chanlleges ahead? do they really
> > > >  >  understand how to mentor new independent developers into
> > > >  > committers and PMCers? is the diversity sufficient to have
> > > >  > learnt how to have disagreements on technical matters whilst
> > > >  > retaining community spirit?
> > > >
> > > >  It's a hard call for me as well.  The technical bits are all
> > > > there, processes followed, paperwork filed, etc.  More
> > > > importantly, the qpid community has been open, receptive to
> > > > feedback from everyone inside and outside their group, welcoming
> > > > to new opinions from new people, and respectful of ASF spirit,
> > > > not just its letter.  There are disagreements and debates on
> > > > various technical matters without hurting the community.  That's
> > > > why I support their graduation.
> > > >
> > > >  It would have been really nice if one or two more committers
> > > > from new organizations had been added during the previous few
> > > > months, but that didn't happen.  But I don't think the fact the
> > > > committers come from a small set of organizations necessarily
> > > > means there's no diversity. And I don't want to introduce
> > > > artificial requirements. The "are they really ready" question is
> > > > subjective by definition, and it's a good one, but I still vote
> > > > +1 ;)
> > > >
> > > >  Yoav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > J. Daniel Kulp
> > Principal Engineer, IONA
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://www.dankulp.com/blog
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-- 
J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer, IONA
dkulp@apache.org
http://www.dankulp.com/blog

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